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Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2024, 05:24:30 PM »
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    Take advantage of a priest's ministrations, take full advantage of his sacrificing his life to offer you the Mass and the sacraments, but "he can starve to death for all I care. He's evil."
    Reminds me of a Sede seminarian a few years back on this site, who was begging for $ to buy seminary books.  We emailed a bunch of times and I bought him a bunch of books.  Once he no longer needed my help, he called me a heretic (since I didn't see a problem with una-cuм masses) and stopped talking to me.  Wow.

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    TAKE YOUR PICK. You can write him off as a heretic to-be-avoided, or you can go to his Mass and support him. Your very presence there is "voting for" his continued existence and ministry.
    Right.
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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #16 on: January 14, 2024, 06:22:44 PM »
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    • If the position of the priest is so distasteful that your conscience is twanged by the very idea of dropping some money in the collection basket, you need to do a hard look at whether you should even be attending the Mass. 
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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #17 on: January 14, 2024, 06:56:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 14, 2024, 12:58:42 PM
    If the priest isn't so bad you should avoid his Mass, you need to contribute to his support.

    Just stop and think about it for a minute. Think of how ridiculous you sound at your suggestion:

    Take advantage of a priest's ministrations, take full advantage of his sacrificing his life to offer you the Mass and the sacraments, but "he can starve to death for all I care. He's evil."

    TAKE YOUR PICK. You can write him off as a heretic to-be-avoided, or you can go to his Mass and support him. Your very presence there is "voting for" his continued existence and ministry. If you need that ministry, it's frankly a duty in justice for you to give SOMETHING back, in order to not be a stingy Jєω and a freeloader.

    Or let's take your suggestion to its logical conclusion. Consider this scenario: you succeed in convincing 1/2 the parish that yes, his Una cuм stance is a problem. They all keep going there (because, where else are they going to go?) but like you, they stop putting anything in the collection.
    The chapel closes and the priest leaves to start a chapel elsewhere; because he has to support himself somehow. He has to eat. That would be God's will for the priest, in such a hypothetical situation. A priest goes where he's needed -- where he can find sufficient support.

    (Or in a group like SSPX it would be done at a corporate level. District HQ would reduce Masses at that location, and/or move the priest elsewhere where a priest is more "needed".)
    If half the people there would suddenly realize the anti una cuм is a problem and, frankly, schismatic, then that could probably lead to a discussion among everyone there and perhaps the clergy would rethink their position.
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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #18 on: January 14, 2024, 07:00:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2024, 06:56:29 PM
    If half the people there would suddenly realize the anti una cuм is a problem and, frankly, schismatic, then that could probably lead to a discussion among everyone there and perhaps the clergy would rethink their position.

    Schismatic my foot.  And why don't you show yourself instead of posting Anon?
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    « Reply #19 on: January 14, 2024, 07:04:44 PM »
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    anti una cuм is a problem and, frankly, schismatic
    Yes, it is schismatic-like.  If sedevacantists hadn’t gone this extreme, then clerics like Bishop Williamson would probably be less opposed to the idea.  
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    « Reply #20 on: January 14, 2024, 07:09:29 PM »
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    • The "una cuм" is not an audible part of Mass.  The priest might not even tell his stance on the "Una cuм" part of Mass.  And why does it need to be an either/or scenario.  What if the priest is conflicted and says, "Hell, I don't know if Francis is pope or not."  Oftentimes is takes humility to say "I do not know."  And the simple fact is, apart from a certain, divine, private revelation, no one knows certainly.  
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    « Reply #21 on: January 14, 2024, 07:12:11 PM »
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    And why does it need to be an either/or scenario.
    Because certain sedevacantist priests want to force people into 2 camps.  Pope or no pope.  
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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #22 on: January 14, 2024, 07:17:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: pnw1994 on January 14, 2024, 06:22:44 PM
    If the position of the priest is so distasteful that your conscience is twanged by the very idea of dropping some money in the collection basket, you need to do a hard look at whether you should even be attending the Mass.
    I mean, that doesn’t make any sense. One doesn’t have anything to do with the other. 
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    « Reply #23 on: January 14, 2024, 07:19:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 14, 2024, 07:00:11 PM
    Schismatic my foot.  And why don't you show yourself instead of posting Anon?
    You don’t think it is schismatic to refuse the sacraments to people based on their going to an una cuм Mass?
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    « Reply #24 on: January 14, 2024, 07:21:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 14, 2024, 07:00:11 PM
    And why don't you show yourself instead of posting Anon?
    My answer is what you told the one asking about salary and contribution amount. 
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    « Reply #25 on: January 14, 2024, 07:41:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2024, 04:40:29 PM
    Though I am not certain how each organisation uses the collection money.

    If it's a Trad organization of ANY stripe, you can be morally certain that approx. 0% of it goes to the Conciliar Church.
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    « Reply #26 on: January 14, 2024, 08:07:43 PM »
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    • Act like you have been there.  Ever run a budget before?  So put up or hold your peace. 
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    « Reply #27 on: January 14, 2024, 08:10:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2024, 07:04:44 PM
    Yes, it is schismatic-like.  If sedevacantists hadn’t gone this extreme, then clerics like Bishop Williamson would probably be less opposed to the idea. 
    Less opposed to what idea?
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    « Reply #28 on: January 14, 2024, 08:25:56 PM »
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    • Less opposed to sedevacantism in general.
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    « Reply #29 on: January 15, 2024, 01:04:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2024, 07:12:11 PM
    Because certain sedevacantist priests want to force people into 2 camps.  Pope or no pope. 
    And I would like people to not believe that people can be saved in invincible ignorance and that BoD/BoB are false speculations. Una cuм is a meme tier worry. I can't force em either.
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