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Author Topic: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses  (Read 3520 times)

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Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2024, 07:28:40 AM »
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  • I've considered those justifications/rationalizations myself. However, this exact argument could be applied to stealing from a physical store. Let me rephrase your statements slightly, to apply to physical theft:

    "I wouldn't promote shoplifting to anyone else"
    "The store is doing great; they won't go under just because I'm stealing $500 of goods per month"
    "If the store would go out of business due to my theft, I wouldn't do it"

    See how it's the exact same argument?

    Another way of looking at it: why should all the parishioners (minus you) support the chapel, instead of ALL of you, or all of you minus ANOTHER parishioner? Why do YOU get to keep your money, while the other parishioners carry the place? After all, you all receive the same "goods" or benefit from the chapel. See the justice issues here? "A laborer is worthy of his hire."

    PS. Of course, all normal rules apply as to how much you should contribute. For purposes of this discussion, let's say each parishioner should contribute "100% of what THEY should, before God, given THEIR specific circuмstances" In other words, let's pass over the issue of "how much should I contribute". That's why I'm keeping it generic "your contribution". We're talking principles here, not dollars and cents.
    Always be generous when you attend Mass.  

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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #31 on: January 15, 2024, 07:53:35 AM »
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  • You don’t think it is schismatic to refuse the sacraments to people based on their going to an una cuм Mass?

    Uhm, you didn't say this before, just that the "anti-una-cuм" position was schismatic without any additional qualifications.  Learn how to actually make precise statements, would you?


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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #32 on: January 15, 2024, 01:24:15 PM »
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  • Uhm, you didn't say this before, just that the "anti-una-cuм" position was schismatic without any additional qualifications.  Learn how to actually make precise statements, would you?
    One doesn’t go without the other (an una cuм mass and people going to it), and it’s no secret they aggressively push this idea. 

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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #33 on: January 15, 2024, 03:05:34 PM »
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  • One doesn’t go without the other (an una cuм mass and people going to it), and it’s no secret they aggressively push this idea.

    False.  I cited some very clear examples.  It's actually the minority that are dogmatic "non una cuм".  Even the Dimond Brothers, dogmatic about almost everything else, are not.  Why don't you de-cloak from Anonymity so we can see who's pushing these lies.

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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #34 on: January 16, 2024, 02:29:32 PM »
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  • False.  I cited some very clear examples.  It's actually the minority that are dogmatic "non una cuм".  Even the Dimond Brothers, dogmatic about almost everything else, are not.  Why don't you de-cloak from Anonymity so we can see who's pushing these lies.
    How do you determine this is a minority position?


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    Re: Tithing at non una-cuм Masses
    « Reply #35 on: January 16, 2024, 02:39:55 PM »
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  • If the position of the priest is so distasteful that your conscience is twanged by the very idea of dropping some money in the collection basket, you need to do a hard look at whether you should even be attending the Mass.
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    I mean, that doesn’t make any sense. One doesn’t have anything to do with the other. 


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    Yeah, and not putting money in the collection basket doesn't have anything to do with the priest's policies on "una cuм" either. In your words, "One doesn't have anything to do with the other."

    The law of the Church requires the faithful to contribute to the support of their pastors. If you attend this church and receive the sacraments from this priest, then he is your pastor.