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thyroid disease facts
« on: July 23, 2021, 09:27:11 PM »
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  • Some general comments, not to be construed as personal advice, offered here to dispel errors.

    Both Hashi's and Graves' are autoimmune disorders. Each has their characteristic lab profile. A solitary TSH, Thyroid Stimulating Hormone level, is actually a hypothalamic hormone, NOT produced by the thyroid. TSH is used alone as a screening test, but in no way gives a complete picture. Clinically there are many similarities between Hashi's and Graves'. Either can exhibit an under-active or over-active thyroid picture. Typically both have a spectrum of presentation and wax and wane over the years. The individual's presentation usually depends upon which phase the patient is in, hypo- or hyper-thyroid. The initial period of thyroid stimulation may be a very mild hyperthyroidism and never detected (unless lab tests are done OR until the thyroid becomes burned out and a hypothyroid symptoms predominate) or dramatic and potentially fatal ("thyroid storm").

    Severely hypothyroid patients can have heart failure of the low-output type ( a flabby heart, if you will). Severely hyperthyroid patients can have heart failure of the high-output  type (rapid heart, high volume output, if you will). Neither of these situations is good for the patient. It used to be the case that doctors would do frequent testing and adjustment of medications (whether anti-thyroid drugs like methimizole or thyroid replacement, the actual thyroid hormones). Sometimes a partial thyroidectomy or low-dose Iodine-131 partial ablation would be done in hopes of returning hyperthyroid function to normal, but that was unpredictable and rarely successful in the long run because of the waxing and waning of the autoimmune phenomena.

    Over the last few decades doctors have come to realize that a favorable outcome for the patient is best accomplished by definitive treatment. This may be why your doctor may recommend surgical or radio-ablation (Iodine-131) of your thyroid followed by thyroid replacement when thyroid hormone levels (T4 and T3) fall. Again, overall thyroid complications are fewer with definitive treatment rather than fiddling around chasing ever-changing doses over the years.

    The actual thyroid hormones "T4" (has 4 iodine atoms per molecule, less potent) and "T3" (has 3 iodine atoms per molecule, more potent) are specific molecules that can be obtained synthetically or "naturally" in dried-out pig thyroid glands. While I see significant benefits to certain "organic" and "natural" approaches, when it comes to thyroid hormones, I think that the insistence on "natural" thyroid is a fetish, nothing more.

    Lastly, fine tremor is quite common in hyperthyroidism whether from Hashi's or Graves'. The fine tremor  of hyperthyroidism is quite distinct in appearance from the rest tremor of Parkinsonism ("pill rolling") or intention tremor of cerebellar disease.


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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2021, 09:46:15 PM »
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  • What is the source of that knowledge you have on the thyroid and its pathology? What are your qualifications to comment?


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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2021, 10:10:18 PM »
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  • Nascent iodine is great for thyroid health. Just make sure you take some selenium, daily, too, as it helps the body absorb it. 

    Why is this thread in the αnσnymσus subforum? Strange.

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2021, 10:23:39 PM »
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  • What is the source of that knowledge you have on the thyroid and its pathology? What are your qualifications to comment?
    Suffice it to say that I am qualified by decades of training and treatment of thousands of thyroid patients—every single one with favorable outcomes.
    How do you "measure up"? 

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #4 on: July 23, 2021, 10:25:34 PM »
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  • Why is this thread in the αnσnymσus subforum? Strange.
    Why are any of these threads in the anonymous section?
    Maybe to preserve anonymity???   Hmmmm.


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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2021, 10:30:34 PM »
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  • Why are any of these threads in the αnσnymσus section?
    Maybe to preserve anonymity???   Hmmmm.
    But HHHHHHWHY such an innocuous subject like thyroid issues? 

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2021, 10:37:10 PM »
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  • But HHHHHHWHY such an innocuous subject like thyroid issues?
    Because i don't want to be doxxed.

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2021, 10:40:02 PM »
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  • Suffice it to say that I am qualified by decades of training and treatment of thousands of thyroid patients—every single one with favorable outcomes.
    How do you "measure up"?
    I am was an anonymous nobody who has no need to measure up. Though I wonder why you take up the offensive at simple questions like mine.  


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    What is the source of that knowledge you have on the thyroid and its pathology? What are your qualifications to comment? 

    That you take such an offensive approach merely confirms my general opinion of medicos, if in fact your claim is honest. 
    Carry on, doctor!
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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2021, 10:46:16 PM »
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  • I spent almost an hour to prepare that post.

    Yes, I was annoyed to spend that time and all you wanted was my credentials.

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2021, 10:52:58 PM »
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  • I'll add this—by my calculation I have HELPED somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 to 500,000 people in my 41-year career. Notwithstanding your snide opinion of "medicos" I can go to the Judgment Seat, to the best of my knowledge, having NEVER hurt even one of them.  

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2021, 10:55:00 PM »
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  • It's a very nice post! 

    As you know the subject interests me greatly. Medicos can be very arrogant creatures, maybe because they get used to people hanging on their every word, in their dire need. It can make them bigheaded.

    But weird that you would expect me to take the word of an anonymous poster without prefacing it with some mention of credentials. I don't go to the plumber if my car breaks down. I want to know with whom I am communicating. I didn't ask you to name yourself. I asked what are your credentials.

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2021, 11:04:31 PM »
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  • Yes, plenty of doctors have enormous and unjustified egos.  I am a published critic of "the system."

    Again, after spending about an hour trying to be helpful, you did not address the information, but addressed me.

    Yes, that was quite annoying—and your follow-up snide opinion of medicos tells me that my instinct was on target that your question hinted at an animus against physicians.  It's an animus that is not uncommon on this site.


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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #12 on: July 24, 2021, 05:07:30 AM »
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  • Some general comments, not to be construed as personal advice, offered here to dispel errors.

    Both Hashi's and Graves' are autoimmune disorders. Each has their characteristic lab profile. A solitary TSH, Thyroid Stimulating Hormone level, is actually a hypothalamic hormone, NOT produced by the thyroid. TSH is used alone as a screening test, but in no way gives a complete picture. Clinically there are many similarities between Hashi's and Graves'. Either can exhibit an under-active or over-active thyroid picture. Typically both have a spectrum of presentation and wax and wane over the years. The individual's presentation usually depends upon which phase the patient is in, hypo- or hyper-thyroid. The initial period of thyroid stimulation may be a very mild hyperthyroidism and never detected (unless lab tests are done OR until the thyroid becomes burned out and a hypothyroid symptoms predominate) or dramatic and potentially fatal ("thyroid storm").

    Severely hypothyroid patients can have heart failure of the low-output type ( a flabby heart, if you will). Severely hyperthyroid patients can have heart failure of the high-output  type (rapid heart, high volume output, if you will). Neither of these situations is good for the patient. It used to be the case that doctors would do frequent testing and adjustment of medications (whether anti-thyroid drugs like methimizole or thyroid replacement, the actual thyroid hormones). Sometimes a partial thyroidectomy or low-dose Iodine-131 partial ablation would be done in hopes of returning hyperthyroid function to normal, but that was unpredictable and rarely successful in the long run because of the waxing and waning of the autoimmune phenomena.

    Over the last few decades doctors have come to realize that a favorable outcome for the patient is best accomplished by definitive treatment. This may be why your doctor may recommend surgical or radio-ablation (Iodine-131) of your thyroid followed by thyroid replacement when thyroid hormone levels (T4 and T3) fall. Again, overall thyroid complications are fewer with definitive treatment rather than fiddling around chasing ever-changing doses over the years.

    The actual thyroid hormones "T4" (has 4 iodine atoms per molecule, less potent) and "T3" (has 3 iodine atoms per molecule, more potent) are specific molecules that can be obtained synthetically or "naturally" in dried-out pig thyroid glands. While I see significant benefits to certain "organic" and "natural" approaches, when it comes to thyroid hormones, I think that the insistence on "natural" thyroid is a fetish, nothing more.

    Lastly, fine tremor is quite common in hyperthyroidism whether from Hashi's or Graves'. The fine tremor  of hyperthyroidism is quite distinct in appearance from the rest tremor of Parkinsonism ("pill rolling") or intention tremor of cerebellar disease.
    I appreciate the thyroid information. However, it is appropriate for forum members to ask about credentials. Nothing wrong with that. 
    I have Hashi's, and take levothyroxine daily. If I don't, I get hives. I also have a lot of thyroid nodes, but they don't change. I have researched natural alternatives to thyroid problems, because there is a gut problem component for some of us. I will continue to take the levothyroxine, as well a supplements such as selenium, iron, magnesium, B12, and thiamine. Avoiding gluten, dairy, and sugar is also helpful. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #13 on: July 24, 2021, 06:56:12 AM »
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  • I am happy to know that there are traditional Catholic doctors.  

    Thank you for the information about thyroid. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: thyroid disease facts
    « Reply #14 on: July 24, 2021, 07:02:17 AM »
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  • Leading with, "t's a very nice post!" and then asking for background would have been reasonable and well-received.

    Asking only for credentials betrayed the later-confessed animus against "big-headed" "medicos."

    Even after several posts, the posts are still ad hominem, with little discussion of the actual information provided by me in good will.