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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on April 09, 2016, 10:41:11 PM
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How should trads deal with situations of domestic violence in a marriage ie. One spouse beats the other or other types of harassment?
Are there special rules which may permit at some point a remarriage after a separation if all other means like counselling, etc have failed in these cases?
Is this theologically feasible? Breaking up the marriage only and only if every attempt was made at change and reconciliation to no avail.
I'm not saying a free for all divorce thing. I'm just wondering as to a very rigorous process to find reconciliation and sharing of life together and then and ONLY after this process has failed allow a remarriage.
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Marriage is an unbreakable bond. Not even cases of abuses no matter the circuмstances can break the bond of marriage. In cases of violence between spouses though, there would be justification for separation in that case then. We must be careful not to fall into modern societal attitudes as well. Remember that marriage is not a pleasure license as the moderator of this forum said once a long time ago and that love and feelings do not establish a marriage but rather the free and mutual consent of the spouses at the marriage ceremony.
Words of Our Lord Himself: "Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." (St. Matthew 19:6)
(I ended up posting anonymously in this case, but this is Kephapaulos).
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Marriage lasts until the death of one of the spouses.
The Catholic Marriage rite contains these words:
I, N. N., take thee, N. N., for my lawful wife/husband, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part.
Then the priest pronounces the words:
I join you together in marriage, in the Name of the Father, + and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
This commitment is not negotiable.
In dire circuмstances, the couple may have to separate, but they remain husband and wife until one of them dies. To "marry" some other party would amount to bigamy and fornication.
Just because others do it does not make it right in God's eyes.
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How should trads deal with situations of domestic violence in a marriage ie. One spouse beats the other or other types of harassment?
Are there special rules which may permit at some point a remarriage after a separation if all other means like counselling, etc have failed in these cases?
Is this theologically feasible? Breaking up the marriage only and only if every attempt was made at change and reconciliation to no avail.
I'm not saying a free for all divorce thing. I'm just wondering as to a very rigorous process to find reconciliation and sharing of life together and then and ONLY after this process has failed allow a remarriage.
here is what the east says about this kind of stuff:
A second marriage is an extension of the Church’s mercy due to human failings and frailty and is permitted only in certain circuмstances.
take that as you will
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Thanks, Nadir. I failed to add the part about marriage ending by the death of one of the spouses to that fact that it is otherwise unbreakable.
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How should trads deal with situations of domestic violence in a marriage ie. One spouse beats the other or other types of harassment?
Are there special rules which may permit at some point a remarriage after a separation if all other means like counselling, etc have failed in these cases?
Is this theologically feasible? Breaking up the marriage only and only if every attempt was made at change and reconciliation to no avail.
I'm not saying a free for all divorce thing. I'm just wondering as to a very rigorous process to find reconciliation and sharing of life together and then and ONLY after this process has failed allow a remarriage.
here is what the east says about this kind of stuff:
A second marriage is an extension of the Church’s mercy due to human failings and frailty and is permitted only in certain circuмstances.
take that as you will
Well, the Eastern Orthodox teach heresy in that instance then.
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First of all,
who the piffle cares what the Eastern Heterodox say about... anything really?
They might not look so bad in our day, compared to the NewChurch, but the East has always been a den of depravity and filth.
Secondly, about "abuse". What does that even mean exactly?
One has to distinguish between genuine, gratuitous physical violence and the much needed, righteous, justified discipline in the context of Husband-wife dynamics.
Thirdly.. Sacramental Marriage is indissoluble. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Are we playing my-little-mini-lay-family-synod here or what?
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laying a hand on your spouse is unacceptable in any way
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laying a hand on your spouse is unacceptable in any way
Dear missy,
please cite relevant:
-Scripture
-Dogmatic pronouncements
-teaching from Saints, Doctors, etc.
By the way, you could even kill your wife for harlotry in the OC.
Humbly yours,
Desmond.
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common sense
if you smack your wife, it's worse than if your children said "F___ Jesus" or something like that because one is an interjection that could be retracted later whereas the other is a sign that all trust is gone
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common sense
if you smack your wife, it's worse than if your children said "F___ Jesus" or something like that because one is an interjection that could be retracted later whereas the other is a sign that all trust is gone
Only if your wife is a rampant lieberal feminαzι. A good Catholic wife would understand if and that she is justly punished.
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laying a hand on your spouse is unacceptable in any way
Pure feminαzι tripe.
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common sense
if you smack your wife, it's worse than if your children said "F___ Jesus" or something like that because one is an interjection that could be retracted later whereas the other is a sign that all trust is gone
Only if your wife is a rampant lieberal feminαzι. A good Catholic wife would understand if and that she is justly punished.
desmond (you're not fooling anyone with that anagram, btw), if you live like this, no women would want you
they'd go to a lesbian relationship before they'd ever want you and that's because your ideas on women are horrible and unCatholic
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desmond (you're not fooling anyone with that anagram, btw), if you live like this, no women would want you
they'd go to a lesbian relationship before they'd ever want you and that's because your ideas on women are horrible and unCatholic
Smartypanties,
I'm not trying to fool anyone: I was banned by Matthew unjustly and waiting appeal, I am using this new name.
If I wanted to "fool" people I wouldn't choose yet another black cat avatar, would I genius?
Secondly, you are wrong, as my views are based on:
-Scripture
-Church Fathers
while yours are based essentially on modern wishywashy feelgood "morality". And feminαzιsm.
Newsflash: women are so stupid they get in abusive relationships with total misogynists all the time.
And I'm not abusive nor misogynist. Quite the contrary.
Desmond
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For the love of God Mathew will you please ban Desmond and his multiple accounts, 99% of traditional Catholic men are gentlemen who do not concur with this moon and
For future reference for anyone asking about a remarriage question
The answer is no you cannot no matter what scenario you quote.
No
No
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Yes you can separate but only in very serious circuмstances which would need the guidance of a priest but no you cannot remarry
Stupid trolls :really-mad2:
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How should trads deal with situations of domestic violence in a marriage ie. One spouse beats the other or other types of harassment?
Are there special rules which may permit at some point a remarriage after a separation if all other means like counselling, etc have failed in these cases?
Is this theologically feasible? Breaking up the marriage only and only if every attempt was made at change and reconciliation to no avail.
I'm not saying a free for all divorce thing. I'm just wondering as to a very rigorous process to find reconciliation and sharing of life together and then and ONLY after this process has failed allow a remarriage.
here is what the east says about this kind of stuff:
A second marriage is an extension of the Church’s mercy due to human failings and frailty and is permitted only in certain circuмstances.
take that as you will
This is not the Eastern Rite! The greater majority here on this site are Roman. I suppose you are saying that everyone should join your schismatic, heretical sect so they have three shots at marriage? Frankly, almost everyone I have come across in the Eastern Rite are heretics and have not the use of reason.
Are you Ambros the Moron?