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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2024, 01:43:57 PM »
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  • If a man shouldn't share his frustrations with work with their wife, and a woman shouldn't share their frustrations with the household with her husband, then who are they suppose to talk about frustrations? Does mean everyone needs to bottle up their frustrations?  Is that right?

    I think what it's probably getting at is:  Don't whine. 

    I think it's a judgment call:  If there are household troubles that he needs to know about, then talk to him about it. 
    Then there may be some things where she might be better off venting to a confidante, e.g. another woman who is discreet.  And as far as venting frustrations to the husband, hopefully she has the wisdom to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much.  

    I remember a good priest who said that, as far as what might be called "complaining," people should have a confidante to air their frustrations with.  For some things that might be hubby; for others maybe a female friend.  [And likewise with the husband.]   And all should try to have (pray for) the good judgment to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much.   I don't think keeping them bottled up is the solution.  

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    « Reply #31 on: April 12, 2024, 02:30:06 PM »
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  • I think what it's probably getting at is:  Don't whine.

    I think it's a judgment call:  If there are household troubles that he needs to know about, then talk to him about it.
    Then there may be some things where she might be better off venting to a confidante, e.g. another woman who is discreet.  And as far as venting frustrations to the husband, hopefully she has the wisdom to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much. 

    I remember a good priest who said that, as far as what might be called "complaining," people should have a confidante to air their frustrations with.  For some things that might be hubby; for others maybe a female friend.  [And likewise with the husband.]  And all should try to have (pray for) the good judgment to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much.  I don't think keeping them bottled up is the solution. 

    We take our frustrations to prayer. 

    If we've been blessed with a patient and understanding spouse, wonderful. If we've been blessed with some other dear confidante, wonderful.

    But lots of people have zero options, whether because there is no spouse and no confidante, or because we sense that unburdening ourselves on that person is asking/expecting too much of that person. 


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    « Reply #32 on: April 12, 2024, 05:25:01 PM »
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  • If a man shouldn't share his frustrations with work with their wife, and a woman shouldn't share their frustrations with the household with her husband, then who are they suppose to talk about frustrations? Does mean everyone needs to bottle up their frustrations?  Is that right?
    I was thinking likewise. That makes no sense to me.
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    « Reply #33 on: April 13, 2024, 05:40:50 AM »
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  • I think what it's probably getting at is:  Don't whine.

    I think it's a judgment call:  If there are household troubles that he needs to know about, then talk to him about it.
    Then there may be some things where she might be better off venting to a confidante, e.g. another woman who is discreet.  And as far as venting frustrations to the husband, hopefully she has the wisdom to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much. 

    I remember a good priest who said that, as far as what might be called "complaining," people should have a confidante to air their frustrations with.  For some things that might be hubby; for others maybe a female friend.  [And likewise with the husband.]  And all should try to have (pray for) the good judgment to know how much is appropriate, and how much is too much.  I don't think keeping them bottled up is the solution. 
    Well said.  ^^^

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    « Reply #34 on: April 13, 2024, 08:54:46 AM »
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  • Usually when a woman wants to vent to her husband, it's HIM that she wants vent about.  But not wanting to take accountability for herself she'll say she wants to share her feelings.


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  • So, there's a Crisis in the Church (involving a crisis of authority, basically striking at the HEART of the Church, its center of unity, the Pope).

    Isn't that NECESSARILY going to cause a certain amount of disunity, confusion, differences of opinion what to do, etc.?

    And this emotional woman is blaming each-and-every Trad priest out there, regardless of whether they're doing their best or not, because de-facto the confusion hasn't been cleared and the Crisis hasn't been solved. If the Crisis isn't solved by human means and put past us, says this woman, it's the fault of EVERY priest and bishop.

    1. I understand the weakness of her female, emotional nature. I understand her frustration. Perhaps her immediate family has "taken damage" as it were due to the confusion/crisis and human infighting which is going to be found anywhere they are human beings, especially without a clear leader. But how about we be FAIR and place the blame where it belongs? How about we blame the Modernists and Freemasons who caused the Crisis in the Church, rather than the +Lefebvres of the world who are only trying to pick up the pieces, trying to keep the Faith, trying to help as many souls as ONE MAN can do?

    2. I can't get behind her, however, because you can have saintly priests and bishops doing 100% of what they can do to be holy and help the Church and souls -- all the while UNABLE to solve the Crisis, because that is in God's hands. You can't equate earthly, material success with holiness, a.k.a. doing God's will. God grades on effort, NOT results. He's not an American or a businessman.

    And some solutions -- such as solving the Crisis in the Church -- are reserved to God alone. As is evidenced by the DURATION of the current Crisis. What are we on, our 54th year?

    3. Yes, she is naive. And she's not the first one in the last 50 years to have an "epiphany" at Church, during prayer, right after receiving Holy Communion along the lines of: "Hey! Why don't we all come together and unite during this Crisis! Wow, I'm a regular Joan of Arc! A regular hero!"

    4. I'm not buying what she's selling -- namely, "despair". I feel bad for her that she is at wits end, and in apparent despair, but I will say this: God doesn't expect the impossible, nor will He ever test someone beyond their strength. So perhaps she's being a bit hysterical, dramatic, emotional here. A bit of a drama queen.

    5. And yes, related to 1-4, she is clearly proud. She thinks the Trad priests and bishops don't pray the Our Father, and many other prayers (daily Breviary, Rosary, daily mental prayer) as well? She thinks that SHE ALONE has thought of this simplistic "solution"? Disgustingly high on herself. And that pride is against her female nature, like a man being delicate or vain in his appearance/clothing. There are sins/faults, and then there are sins/faults that your nature shouldn't even be weak against. An athlete being "lazy" takes more malice than a 400 lb man being "lazy" -- the latter has to fight his frame and is weighed down just walking across the room. The muscular, toned athlete has no excuse for lazing around and being slothful.

    My only question is: what actor is going to play this woman, when her inevitable biopic is made. I got dibs on the movie rights. ::)
    Excellent explanation, thank you! I would also add that even if men are being unfair, women ought to remember that their crosses are sent by God, and not by men, the latter being mere instruments of Divine Providence. Women have incredible power to influence the behaviour of men in their lives, whether for good or evil (as we see in the Old Testament especially). Reading the lives of female, married saints would help women a great deal. St. Rita and St. Monica for example, in dealing with their angry, difficult husbands, did not blame their spouses for the grief, nor did they plead to be treated better for their own sake, but like Our Blessed Mother standing at the foot of the Cross, with heroic strength of soul, endured the crosses sent to them, and used it to sanctify themselves, and if their husbands required correction, it was done with great sweetness and love for their soul, ultimately.

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