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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2023, 10:09:53 AM »
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  • If you are talking about Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko's causing unnecessary divisions in Tradition, then say so.
    If you're talking about Fr. Cekada's novel (never seen before) doctrine "If you assist at a Mass that is Una cuм Papa Nostro Francisco, then you are Una cuм his heresies, hence a mortal sin" killing the competition and causing unnecessary division and home-aloneism, then say so.
    If you're talking about the Dimond Brothers condemning virtually everyone in Tradition, being the poster boys for dogmatic home aloners, then say so.
    If you're talking about the neo-SSPX being "The organization first, the good of souls second" then say so.


    I agree.  If the OP would be more specific about what precisely she is criticizing (as stated in this quote above), it would be more helpful.  Or at least provide a few examples.  Likewise more specifics about what she sees as solutions.  As someone else mentioned in a post further up ("Again, apart from one particular group, I don't know of any priests who remain divided on theological issues due to a lack of "forgiveness".  It's just a matter of principle."), with a crisis such as we're in, of course people are going to have differing opinions, and argue them.  (especially the men. ;) ) I agree that it's not a lack of "forgiveness".  They shouldn't judge others with differing positions on the crisis as not being Catholic.  And since the poster said, "Another forum got my son kicked out of the Seminary before he even started.", although I don't know the specifics, it is an unfortunate (but seems kind of 'natural') feature of this crisis that different seminaries are going to have different opinions on the crisis, and one pursuing a vocation has to line oneself up with the seminary that comes closest to that opinion.   If someone who agrees with most of their stand, but not everything about their stand, can't enter, that too is unfortunate.   But I'm not sure what 'forgiveness' has to do with it, other than asking said seminary to change that extremist policy.  

    These are difficult times, and I do feel sympathy for the OP.   I will pray for her & for all of us. 
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #16 on: November 11, 2023, 10:40:05 AM »
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  • I agree.  If the OP would be more specific about what precisely she is criticizing (as stated in this quote above), it would be more helpful.  Or at least provide a few examples.  Likewise more specifics about what she sees as solutions.  As someone else mentioned in a post further up ("Again, apart from one particular group, I don't know of any priests who remain divided on theological issues due to a lack of "forgiveness".  It's just a matter of principle."), with a crisis such as we're in, of course people are going to have differing opinions, and argue them.  (especially the men. ;) ). I agree that it's not a lack of "forgiveness".  They shouldn't judge others with differing positions on the crisis as not being Catholic.  And since the poster said, "Another forum got my son kicked out of the Seminary before he even started.", although I don't know the specifics, it is an unfortunate (but seems kind of 'natural') feature of this crisis that different seminaries are going to have different opinions on the crisis, and one pursuing a vocation has to line oneself up with the seminary that comes closest to that opinion. If someone who agrees with most of their stand, but not everything about their stand, can't enter, that too is unfortunate.   But I'm not sure what 'forgiveness' has to do with it, other than asking said seminary to change that extremist policy. 

    These are difficult times, and I do feel sympathy for the OP.  I will pray for her & for all of us.
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    I was talking about all of these and then some.  My journey over the last 40 years has been influenced by this Catholic confusion.  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #17 on: November 11, 2023, 11:05:17 AM »
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  • I feel sympathy for the OP as well. I think some here are lacking compassion.  She’s just frustrated and she is looking to place the responsibility on traditional clergy, but there is enough accountability to go around on all of us because God gives us the pope we deserve.  The shepherd is struck and the sheep are scattered.  We have no good authority to find in the pope so how can the rest of the church manage when the leader is so misguided (at best). These are the times in which we live.  God knew we would live in these present circuмstances and she can be encouraged by that.  All of the people telling her to get on with it should take into account she is a woman (with all the emotional feelings that come natural to her) and her temperament, which is probably melancholic.  She’s just grasping at straws, looking for a way to make the situation better.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 11, 2023, 11:07:12 AM »
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  • I was talking about all of these and then some.  My journey over the last 40 years has been influenced by this Catholic confusion. 
    Same with most of us.  I don’t know what to tell you, except keep the Faith as it has been handed down since the Apostles, and do your best to offer up the “confusion.”  It is sad that the crisis has divided so many Catholics, but on fundamentals, all real Catholics are more united than we seem.  For example, no matter how much folks here on CathInfo slug it out on the forum, if there is a prayer request because some member (even the most combative) is gravely ill or has a serious issue to be prayed for, from what I’ve seen, most members rally to pray for that person.  They don’t say, “I’m not going to pray for him, because he’s on the opposite side of my position!” 

    It is sad when the differences/confusion/strong stands on the crisis cause people to have fallings-out, (if that’s a term) or other practical consequences (such as a son not being allowed in a seminary).  But I think we have to offer these things up, just as we offer up the other failings of our fellow Catholics.  If we know someone who has a bad temper or naturally grouchy disposition, we have to offer it up & still love them.  And in a war, we have to offer up many tragedies.  So it is with this crisis.  Try to do the practical things you can (for example, exploring other options for a potential vocation), and also, try to shelter yourself from discord to the extent possible.  And try not to be too hard on bishops/priests/others whom you perceive to be the chief agents of discord.  We’re all in this terrible crisis together, even if it doesn’t seem like it when we argue.  It’s like we’re on a lifeboat, arguing about the best way to get to shore, but whatever you do, don’t jump off the lifeboat. 

    I’ve heard it said that those who live in our times will get more graces, and maybe more “merit” so to speak for keeping the Faith in these times.  God created you to live in these times!  Let’s focus on Our Lord on the Cross, standing with Our Lady, and keep fighting the good fight. 

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #19 on: November 11, 2023, 11:12:07 AM »
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  • I believe that the  letter was meant to be a petition basically trying to say this:

    "Traditional Catholic priests who are responsible for unnecessary divisions...Please be humble and charitable and try to find ways to work together for the greater honor and glory of God and the restoration of the Church."

    Matthew objected to the letter because she did not make an exception for the good and holy priests who are out there not fighting and who do great good.

    Others objected to the letter because of the emotion involved.

    I think that this letter and the reaction of everyone towards it shows just how much we all need to grow more in humility and charity.

    Jesus meek and humble of heart.  Make my heart like until thine!

    P.S.  Matthew, perhaps this thread should be deleted as the original writer of the letter seems to object to it being online?  





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    « Reply #20 on: November 11, 2023, 02:01:30 PM »
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  • I think some here are lacking compassion. 
    It's my hobby! :cowboy: :facepalm: :'(

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #21 on: November 18, 2023, 05:08:48 PM »
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #22 on: April 12, 2024, 11:37:20 AM »
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  • I came across this holy card. It was in the bookstore of the Church I attend. I think it says what I hoped Priests and Bishops would say.

    I haven't found the one for wives, but I will post it here when I do.

    May God bless you and keep you.

    The problems we have come from people not just men or women.  Please keep fighting for God not against each other.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #23 on: April 12, 2024, 11:38:34 AM »
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  • I came across this holy card. It was in the bookstore of the Church I attend. I think it says what I hoped Priests and Bishops would say.

    I haven't found the one for wives, but I will post it here when I do.

    May God bless you and keep you.

    The problems we have come from people not just men or women.  Please keep fighting for God not against each other.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    « Reply #24 on: April 12, 2024, 12:33:31 PM »
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  • I've seen that holy card.  I thought of a friend's husband (not mine) that I wish I could give it to.  And yes, I agree it would be good to hear more of this from the pulpit.  

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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #25 on: April 12, 2024, 12:40:14 PM »
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  • Here you go for the wife's version:  :popcorn:
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

    http://whoshallfindavaliantwoman.blogspot.com/


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    « Reply #26 on: April 12, 2024, 12:46:09 PM »
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  • Interesting that they aren't all that different.

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    « Reply #27 on: April 12, 2024, 12:51:17 PM »
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  • All I could think of after reading the letter was Bishop Williamson saying ( paraphrasing) " We all want to have warm chocolate feelings in our hearts" .
    These are not the days we are living in

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    « Reply #28 on: April 12, 2024, 12:53:19 PM »
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  • All I could think of after reading the letter was Bishop Williamson saying ( paraphrasing) " We all want to have warm chocolate feelings in our hearts" .
    These are not the days we are living in
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    Re: The Tears of a Traditional Catholic Mother
    « Reply #29 on: April 12, 2024, 01:21:47 PM »
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  • If a man shouldn't share his frustrations with work with their wife, and a woman shouldn't share their frustrations with the household with her husband, then who are they suppose to talk about frustrations? Does mean everyone needs to bottle up their frustrations?  Is that right?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"