The Indult-SSPX disagreement is a bit like the SSPX-sede disagreement.

Leaving aside other things for now, so far as this thread topic is concerned, in offering the Mass, the difference lies essentially and ultimately in how highly one prizes independence from Rome and the degree of separation from it one deems desirable as such, since this is considered indispensable to growth and freedom - but to take two extreme examples, there were two groups that went different ways from the SSPX - the SSPV and the FSSP - St.Peter's now after about 20 years has over 200 priests and 150 seminarians, without the benefits of independence, has not constantly divided further etc - how does the SSPV compare? Go ahead and down thumb me some more, but the point remains independence is no panacea. Sure, the SSPX is in a league of its own, but the FSSP is easily next best by far.

Summorum Pontificuм will not make the problems in the Church go away overnight, especially with a hierarchy that at large is still at best indifferent to tradition, but it can definitely prove to be a game-changer in the long run, and a stepping stone to better things, like a universal restoration of the Tridentine Mass, since current and future seminarians will learn to offer the traditional Mass. I don't agree with the poster above who claimed Archbishop "Lefebvre set back the Universal Indult by 20 years" but I do think the Indult groups have played an indispensable role in making the Mass available and accessible to the wider Catholic faithful and ultimately in the grant of the "universal indult". Bishop Fellay has admitted this, and, to another poster above, it was indeed Bishop Fellay who specifically requested the same of the Pope along with the other SSPX Bishops.

I suppose it varies from place to place - but many priests of St.Peter's are not hostile to the Society and in fact, with some exceptions, frequently recommend it - the canonical irregularity is a trifle to them. But their approach differs with the Society in that working under a regular canonical structure, despite its difficulties, introduces the possibility of having a wider sphere of influence and a broader apostolate. To most lay Catholics, "irregularity" with Rome is a huge deal - and these souls would never have known or forever have stayed away from the TLM if not for St.Peter's and similar Indult groups.

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No offense whatsoever to the other traditional groups out there (SSPV, CMRI, and the independents) but it is the SSPX that gets the lion's share of credit for keeping the Traditional Latin Mass and the valid priestly ordinations alive.  

The FSSP and the ICKSP were formed after the 1988 consecrations.  

If I'm wrong, please tell me and explain it too.  

If I'm right, a simple little icon of clapping hands would suffice.

 

No, actually, your drama and turmoil has caused a split.  

And yes, certain chapels are operated like a occult.  "Don't come to Mass unless you have children."    You can't go to pro life March for life unless you are child.
A parish should include everyone young and old, black and white.  It seems like it is mostly made up rich white former novus ordo catholics who look down on blue collar workers.    

This was not Archbishop Lefebvre's goal.  

And in USA, that is creepy especially since there has been many issues of rape and child molestation.

FSSP and ICKSP all are suppressed and failed.

Many of you spent time in seclusion in your little cliques that you clueless about the Catholic Faith.  Many of you are just a bunch of fake and phony hypocrits who look down on people who don't fit the mold.  
 
When many of us were being vocal against the heresies and apostacies, you remained silent and content  in your little cliques.  This is not Catholic.

And what do any of you do to help the poor?  Many the sspx helps the poor in Asia , phillipines.     Do any traditional catholics help the poor in the USA.  

Patting on self on the back is typical novus ordo....

And I don't want to be part of resistance.

I want to be part the movement.


Shame on many of you.  You all will have to answer to God for mistreating people.

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it could be argued that the FSSP exists BECAUSE of the SSPX.

In that case the same should be argued for the SSPV - in May 1983 the "Nine" also had a disagreement with the Society and decided they wanted to be more independent than Archbishop Lefebvre would allow them to be. Thus, they went in a different direction from the Society.

we must point to the SSPX and acknowledge the debt we all owe them.