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The Sin of Gluttony
« on: July 23, 2014, 01:44:49 AM »
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  • Gluttony is among the 7 Capital sins. So I suppose then, that to be gluttonous is a mortal sin, for which one goes to Hell. Does that mean overweight people are in mortal sin? What if they are very or morbidly obese? Would that be a mortal sin for which someone would spend eternity in Hell? Also, I think the Capital sin of Sloth may go along with Gluttony very often, because overeating and being too slothful to perform much physical activity lead to obesity. If the obesity leads to serious health concerns that inhibit or even prevent one from fulfilling the duties of his/her station in life, would that be a mortal sin? For example people who are so large that they are bedridden and can't work or take care of household duties because their gluttonous behavior has put them in such a  position? This is a real question, I am not trying to insult overweight people. I am overweight myself, and someone I care about is morbidly obese. This caused me to wonder about this, since I read that in Dante's Inferno there is a special ring of Hell devoted to the gluttonous.  Am I going to go to Hell because I overeat and hate exercise? Regardless of how hard I try to stay in a state of grace otherwise? How fat does someone have to be before it qualifies as a mortal sin? I don't think I have ever read about a saint who was very overweight. Am I totally off base and being overly scrupulous here?

    I imagine the smart-alecks here can have a field-day at my expense for asking this question, which I admit is probably weird. I know that there are people out there who are guilty of Gluttony and Sloth who are thin. I suppose they may be in mortal sin as well, it's just easier for them to hide it from everyone but God. It seems to me that Gluttony is the only sin which people can often see on the exterior, and I have wondered what it would be like if the other Capital Sins were so easy to spot on a person just by looking.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 02:21:07 AM »
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  • Obesity in itself is not a sin. Gluttony is the sin.
    Don't confuse the two.

    It would depend on why you are obese. Is there some medical problem causing it? Or is the obesity a result of eating too much?
    Or is it that you are eating the wrong foods which are unhealthy for you?

    A healthy person should not be fat.
    Overweight can cause further health issues.

    You say yourself that you overeat. Or rather you ask the question which I guess is specific to you and not general:

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    Am I going to go to Hell because I overeat and hate exercise?


    "A possibilty" to the first, because overeating is gluttony. But I don't believe it is a sin to hate exercise, but it is sinful to be slothful.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 03:48:15 AM »
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    These are good questions.  You should register or if you are already registered you ought to post this in the Nutrition forum.


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    Gluttony is among the 7 Capital sins. So I suppose then, that to be gluttonous is a mortal sin, for which one goes to Hell. Does that mean overweight people are in mortal sin? What if they are very or morbidly obese? Would that be a mortal sin for which someone would spend eternity in Hell?

    Yes ... ditto... etc.  

    It's not our place to judge others, but objectively, yes, overeating is sinful.  Habitual overeating is more sinful.  Refusal to amend your ways and stop sinning is ANOTHER sin, and ultimately could lead to the UNFORGIVABLE sin:  rejection of the Holy Ghost.

    So asking these questions and looking for answers is a sign of NOT rejecting the Holy Ghost.  So at least that's a START.  It should give you (and everyone who listens) hope, not discouragement.  St. Peter says we should be ready to explain the hope that is in us.

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    Also, I think the Capital sin of Sloth may go along with Gluttony very often, because overeating and being too slothful to perform much physical activity lead to obesity.

    Gluttony and sloth (pronounced "slow-th" because "slaw-th" is a tropical tree-dwelling animal) are indeed related.  Those who are inclined to these sins have a special cross to bear and we are duty-bound to bear our cross as God sees fit to give it to us.

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    If the obesity leads to serious health concerns that inhibit or even prevent one from fulfilling the duties of his/her station in life, would that be a mortal sin?

    It could be.

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    For example people who are so large that they are bedridden and can't work or take care of household duties because their gluttonous behavior has put them in such a  position?

    Yes.  And it's not just overeating.  There are 5 (five) categories of gluttony. See below.

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    This is a real question, I am not trying to insult overweight people. I am overweight myself, and someone I care about is morbidly obese.

    At least you're aware of it and willing to talk about it.  That's a PLUS!

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    This caused me to wonder about this, since I read that in Dante's Inferno there is a special ring of Hell devoted to the gluttonous.  

    You wouldn't be the only one to be saved from hell by reading Dante.  

    But you should also read the other books of his besides the Inferno.  In Paradiso, for example.  That would give you hope.

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    Am I going to go to Hell because I overeat and hate exercise? Regardless of how hard I try to stay in a state of grace otherwise? How fat does someone have to be before it qualifies as a mortal sin? I don't think I have ever read about a saint who was very overweight.

    St. Thomas Aquinas was a rotund man, and Padre Pio was large, so too Pope St. Pius X.  You probably don't want to hear about John XXIII or JPII -- (joke)

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    Am I totally off base and being overly scrupulous here?

    Not at all.  You're right on target!  

    You should seek spiritual direction from a good priest.  IMHO it would help to find one that is overweight himself so he can give you personal insight.  Been there, done that, and all.  

    If you get a priest that's really thin, you're going to be in for it!  Good luck!  

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    I imagine the smart-alecks here can have a field-day at my expense for asking this question, which I admit is probably weird.

    Just be glad you're not overweight AND questioning BoD at the same time.  Then you'd really be in trouble.  
    HAHAHAHAHAHA


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    I know that there are people out there who are guilty of Gluttony and Sloth who are thin. [see below!]  

    I suppose they may be in mortal sin as well, it's just easier for them to hide it from everyone but God. It seems to me that Gluttony is the only sin which people can often see on the exterior, and I have wondered what it would be like if the other Capital Sins were so easy to spot on a person just by looking.

    I think you can see the hardened looks of pride, avarice, concupiscence, greed, selfishness, on people who are older.  Not so much when they're young.  But over many years, one's sin tends to make their facial lines take on certain aspects that they can't easily hide, but that's what plastic surgery is for, really!  You heard it here first!  


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    LUST



    ENVY






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    GLUTTONY








    There are 5 (five) catgegories of gluttony (acronym  "PLANS"):  

    I.  Praepropere  --  outside normal meal times; GRAZING like a cow,
    often referred to affectionately by gluttons as "pick on it."

    II.  Laute  --  expensive, luxurious, conspicuous consumption

    III.  Ardenter -- eating too eagerly, hastily, stuffing your face, typically comes
    with making rude noises like slurping,
    smacking lips, burping, and chewing with mouth open

    IV.  Nimis  --  eating too much, excessively (what is mostly considered alone)

    V.  Studiose  --  being picky or fastidious about food, how it's prepared, etc.



    Initially, one might be prone to argue that there is no way to eat anything without breaking rules so sweeping as these.  But that's where culture comes in, and manners.  

    Proper dining manners teach us to balance our actions, so we don't eat too fast, nor too slowly by fussing and moving the food all around the plate, or playing with the food.  Overly zealous eating is always unattractive to observers.  

    Learning to eat reasonable portions at appointed meal times and without ostentatious or outlandish luxury (special occasions are another story!) is part of "finishing school" lessons.  Catholic girls traditionally had such training in adolescence, but in my area, the various Catholic girls' high schools that had these programs gradually shut them down after 1960 (there's that year again, when the Third Secret should have been revealed!), and I was personally involved in remodeling the Home Economics and Fashion/Wardrobe classrooms where these lessons had been taught to thousands of girls over many years, at Pomona Catholic (Pomona, CA), and Louisville High school in Woodland Hills.  I have seen very impressive equipment and furnishings entirely trashed so as to make way for an "updated" curriculum, that teaches girls how to boss other people around so that someone else can do the work while they act as a straw boss, giving orders and complaining about disappointments:  you know:  feminism.  

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    The Sin of Gluttony
    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 05:27:50 AM »
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  • When we were at  St Ignatius Silent retreat.   We were taught about gluttony and sin
    And we ate silently and politely too while listening to CDs about Hell
    And Crucifixtion.  I lost 10 pounds in one week. Also Christian Warfare
    Has a section about eating.  The praying and meditating and general
    Confession helped.  Huge amount of Catechism crammed into short
    Period of time.  Plus walk outside and pray the rosary.  

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    « Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 05:38:42 AM »
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  • We had home ec in public school grade school. too where we taught sewing cooking.
    How to set table and manners.  1980s

    And at home too.   Things changed after my Mom went to college to
    Become nurse.  And father working ended up being original latchkey kid.
    Things were becoming more liberal and leaving me more vulnerable.  

    Yes I'm overweight.   I stress eat.  

    And I'm always working and eating around men.
    I love my husband but there are times I long for female
    Companionship especially after my beloved Mother in law died.



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    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 04:05:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Obesity in itself is not a sin. Gluttony is the sin.
    Don't confuse the two.

    It would depend on why you are obese. Is there some medical problem causing it? Or is the obesity a result of eating too much?
    Or is it that you are eating the wrong foods which are unhealthy for you?

    A healthy person should not be fat.
    Overweight can cause further health issues.

    You say yourself that you overeat. Or rather you ask the question which I guess is specific to you and not general:

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    Am I going to go to Hell because I overeat and hate exercise?


    "A possibilty" to the first, because overeating is gluttony. But I don't believe it is a sin to hate exercise, but it is sinful to be slothful.


    Some medical problems can cause obesity, or at least make it more difficult to maintain a healthy weight. But for the majority of us (myself included) overweight, obesity and morbid-obesity are caused by living a sedentary lifestyle while continuing to eat like a lumberjack. I am sure that practically no one picks up a fork or a bag of chips thinking "I'm going to sit here and eat all of this without even thinking about it so I can gain another 10lbs and be fatter and more unhealthy." At least I don't. But the results are the same.  

    And, some of the aforementioned health problems are the result of the obesity in the first place. Diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, joint pain, shortness of breath, limited mobility- all of these are consequences of obesity which make it even harder to exercise and lose the weight, and facilitate gaining even more- a deadly cycle.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 04:11:18 PM »
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  • Many really don't get enough natural physical work in this unnatural society we live in.. honestly to have to use things like treadmills and suchlike, which achieve little to no purpose besides exercise itself.. rather than chopping wood and doing the normal work a man would do... that achieves something..



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    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 09:10:32 PM »
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    I've always been told the sin of gluttony includes drunkenness, not just overeating.  It is unfortunately true that one gets into a downward spiral.  Many people have metabolic issues that cause them to be heavy.  I hardly think Padre Pio stuffed his face on a regular basis, yet he was a large man.  Two people can eat the same foods, same amounts, do the same activities and one will be thin, the other, overweight.  So many factors play into obesity that one cannot assume a fat man is a glutton and a thin man, a saint.  People who become morbidly obese to the point where they're bedridden have to have a physical as well as mental/spiritual problem.  If most of us, even those who are obese but active, tried to consume the amounts of food eaten by those weighing 500 lbs. and up, we'd get sick and our bodies would simply be unable to accommodate the amounts.  No doubt, however, that gluttony is a sin as it places food above God.  Whether it is a mortal sin depends upon many factors.  
    Several priests have told me it is a mortal sin if you eat to the point of getting sick, or if your food purchases are depriving others of their needs.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2014, 10:32:36 PM »
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  • Both overeating and health problems have been mentioned here, but also quality of food is a big factor of why some are obese.

    Many people in poverty are overweight and yet also forced to skip meals on a regular basis. They aren't eating too much, but they're eating junk. One docuмentary I watched showed a family that consumed Totinos pizza as their meal (with no sides of any sort) multiple times per week because that is all they could afford. Another stocked their after-school snack area with cheap cookies, crackers, and chips because again those things are convenient (parents aren't usually around when they return from school) and cheap whereas fresh fruits and vegetables are not. Some members of the families looked healthy, others were very obese.

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  •  :dancing-banana:They say the sins of Gluttony is also sin of lust.

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    :dancing-banana:They say the sins of Gluttony is also sin of lust.


    I've heard this, too, that gluttony leads to lust.  I can understand it if it entails drunkenness.  When one's inhibitions are compromised, purity goes away.  It makes sense that prostitutes do business in neighborhoods with bars.  
    I don't see how it applies to overeating, especially if it results in obesity.  An obese person usually has  a poor self-image and is hardly tempting to others.  As for the grossly obese, well, I'd imagine any sins against purity would have to remain in the mind.  Medically speaking, wouldn't obesity diminish one's passions?
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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  • It's a weakness regarding sensual things.

    Since the demons can trigger the passions, bodily indispositions can easily be a non-factor.

    Old men, sick people, folks like this are vulnerable too. And all it takes is one mortal sin of the mind.