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Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2017, 04:53:25 AM »
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  • If the Jєωs don't worship the one true God then neither do we.

    You are a heretic and have no business on a Catholic forum.


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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #31 on: July 31, 2017, 08:19:37 AM »
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  • If the Jєωs don't worship the one true God then neither do we. The God of the Old Testament is the same God as the God of the New Testament.
    O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jєωs who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)


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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #32 on: July 31, 2017, 08:28:04 AM »
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  • You are a heretic and have no business on a Catholic forum.
    Actually he is more than a heretic, he is an apostate, for even the heretics and schismatics know that the Jєωs do not worship the same God as Catholics.
    Here is a good example:
    https://billygraham.org/decision-magazine/february-2016/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #33 on: July 31, 2017, 08:46:04 AM »
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  • "Jehova" probably isn't even the proper pronunciation of the tetragrammaton.
    I think it's Yad Heh Vav Heh- the hebrew lwtters that God called Himself

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #34 on: July 31, 2017, 08:49:53 AM »
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  • If the Jєωs don't worship the one true God then neither do we. The God of the Old Testament is the same God as the God of the New Testament.
    If what you say were true, that the Jєωs worship the same Most Holy Trinity, then we can say the same of the Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists and all "religions" that believe in a creator God. The only source for that teaching in Church history is Vatican II. Read this article https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/803-the-pointlessness-of-the-catholic-muslim-same-god-debate

    And here is the bottom line from the article:


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    The Pre-Conciliar Church, focusing on salvation of non-Catholics in Her role as guardian of souls, once rightly pointed out the fatal deficiencies in false religion and the need for the conversion of non-Christians for salvation. The Council docuмents, in contrast, shifted perspective from a concerned Mother warning non-Christian souls of danger, to the perspective of an observer who praises non-Christians for the elements of truth they get correct.
    This latter approach is similar to a doctor praising a patient for eating a good diet, having good blood pressure, and maintaining low cholesterol while neglecting to tell him he has cancer. Indeed, what good does it do one to worship a Creator, yet reject Christ and the Church He established for salvation? As St. Paul said, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
    For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (2Tim 4:3)


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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #35 on: July 31, 2017, 09:02:07 AM »
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  • O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jєωs who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
    As far as atheism goes, why go to a church or a ѕуηαgσgυє or any place of worship for that matter unless there were to be some other benefit in it for you. The real danger is not the militant atheists who want to attack us, it is the atheists who worm their way into the church and subvert us.
    I join St. Alphonsus in praying that God will enlighten those who do not know the way to the true Faith.        

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #36 on: July 31, 2017, 09:05:30 AM »
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  • If what you say were true, that the Jєωs worship the same Most Holy Trinity, then we can say the same of the Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists and all "religions" that believe in a creator God. The only source for that teaching in Church history is Vatican II. Read this article https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/803-the-pointlessness-of-the-catholic-muslim-same-god-debate

    I do, those who believe in the great God of all creation who rules over everyone is the same God that we as Catholics worship. When Cortez preached to the Aztecs they said that they were ready to accept the faith in the one true God. However the understanding of who this one true God is clouded. It is still the one true God and it is on this foundation that we build the house of our evangelization.   

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    Poche said: I do, those who believe in the great God of all creation who rules over everyone is the same God that we as Catholics worship. When Cortez preached to the Aztecs they said that they were ready to accept the faith in the one true God. However the understanding of who this one true God is clouded. It is still the one true God and it is on this foundation that we build the house of our evangelization.  

    The Aztecs worshiped Satan himself, the same God that you worship.   


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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #38 on: August 01, 2017, 01:51:47 AM »
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  • Chapter 3. Justin narrates the manner of his conversion
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    Justin: And while I was thus disposed, when I wished at one period to be filled with great quietness, and to shun the path of men, I used to go into a certain field not far from the sea. And when I was near that spot one day, which having reached I purposed to be by myself, a certain old man, by no means contemptible in appearance, exhibiting meek and venerable manners, followed me at a little distance. And when I turned round to him, having halted, I fixed my eyes rather keenly on him.
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    Old Man: Do you know me?
    Justin: No.
    Old Man: Why, then, do you so look at me?
    Justin: I am astonished, because you have chanced to be in my company in the same place; for I had not expected to see any man here.
    Old Man: I am concerned about some of my household. These are gone away from me; and therefore have I come to make personal search for them, if, perhaps, they shall make their appearance somewhere. But why are you here?
    Justin: I delight in such walks, where my attention is not distracted, for converse with myself is uninterrupted; and such places are most fit for philology.
    Old Man: Are you, then, a philologian, but no lover of deeds or of truth? And do you not aim at being a practical man so much as being a sophist?
    Justin:What greater work could one accomplish than this, to show the reason which governs all, and having laid hold of it, and being mounted upon it, to look down on the errors of others, and their pursuits? But without philosophy and right reason, prudencewould not be present to any man. Wherefore it is necessary for every man to philosophize, and to esteem this the greatest and most honourable work; but other things only of second-rate or third-rate importance, though, indeed, if they be made to depend on philosophy, they are of moderate value, and worthy of acceptance; but deprived of it, and not accompanying it, they are vulgar and coarse to those who pursue them.
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    Old Man (Interrupting): Does philosophy, then, make happiness?
    Justin: Assuredly, and it alone.
    Old Man: What, then, is philosophy? And what is happiness? Pray tell me, unless something hinders you from saying.
    Justin: Philosophy, then, is the knowledge of that which really exists, and a clear perception of the truth; and happiness is the reward of such knowledge and wisdom.
    Old Man: But what do you call God?
    Justin: That which always maintains the same nature, and in the same manner, and is the cause of all other things—that, indeed, is God.
    So I answered him; and he listened to me with pleasure, and continued to interrogate me.
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    Old Man: Is not knowledge a term common to different matters? For in arts of all kinds, he who knows any one of them is called a skilful man in the art of generalship, or of ruling, or of healing equally. But in divine and human affairs it is not so. Is there a knowledge which affords understanding of human and divine things, and then a thorough acquaintance with the divinity and the righteousness of them?
    Justin: Assuredly.
    Old Man: What, then? Is it in the same way we know man and God, as we knowmusic, and arithmetic, and astronomy, or any other similar branch?
    Justin: By no means.
    Old Man: You have not answered me correctly, then, for some [branches of knowledge] come to us by learning, or by some employment, while of others we have knowledge by sight. Now, if one were to tell you that there exists in India an animal with a nature unlike all others, but of such and such a kind, multiform and various, you would not know it before you saw it; but neither would you be competent to give any account of it, unless you should hear from one who had seen it.
    Justin: Certainly not.
    Old Man: How, then, should the philosophers judge correctly about God, or speak any truth, when they have no knowledge of Him, having neither seen Him at any time, nor heard Him?
    Justin: But, father, the Deity cannot be seen merely by the eyes, as other living beings can, but is discernible to the mind alone, as Plato says; and I believe him.

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01281.htm

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #39 on: August 01, 2017, 08:46:06 AM »
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  • The Aztecs worshiped Satan, but when Cortez explained to them the existence of the one true God they were ready to accept that.  
    Tell that to all the Spaniards and their allies and all the Aztecs who died for no good reason according to your understanding of history. You do not have any concept of the history of Cortez, Mexico or the Aztecs.   

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #40 on: August 01, 2017, 10:15:30 AM »
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  • Actually he (Poche) is more than a heretic, he is an apostate, for even the heretics and schismatics know that the Jєωs do not worship the same God as Catholics.

    So what's Poche doing on Cathinfo then?


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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #41 on: August 01, 2017, 12:23:27 PM »
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  • So what's Poche doing on Cathinfo then?
    I guess you mean, "why is Poche allowed o to stay on CI"? 
    Matthew considers him harmless? Matthew has no time to read every posting? Your guess is as good as mine. 
     

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #42 on: August 05, 2017, 12:00:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: JPaul on July 26, 2017, 08:41:58 AM
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    This is a troll, ignore further posts.

    This is no troll.  This is Vatican II.  Every Catholic must be able to say that the Jєωs worship the one true God.  This is the height of controversy, and this is not trolling activity.  This is at the very center of controversy today.  This is a grave matter.

    If I said and believe that Jєωs worship the one true God I would be judged a Heretic and would be damned in Hell for
    all Eternity.
    I received most of my Catholic Education before 1965.

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #43 on: August 06, 2017, 02:53:10 AM »
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  • I am not saying that Vatican II says that the Jєωs worship the one true God. I am saying that St. Justin, saint and doctor of the Church in his dialog with Trypho is saying that the Jєωs worship the one true God.
    I don't see where he says they worship the one true God. Even if it says that somewhere, it is a translation and St. Justin was around in the years 100's, and there would still be Jєωs of good will who would become converts. The Jєωs of today are a different religion altogether. It says nowhere that they died as Jєωs unbaptized and were saved. Moreover, the writings of one saint do not make doctrine.   

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    Re: The Jєωs do worship the one true God.
    « Reply #44 on: August 06, 2017, 04:04:27 AM »
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  • Jesus is God.  Jehova is God.  Jєωs worship Jehova.  Jєωs worship God.

    … .^. Jєωs worship Jesus, call the BVM a working girl, say that God is roasting in feces in Hell (Babylonian тαℓмυd)…
    "Lord, have mercy".