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« on: June 29, 2016, 10:05:56 AM »
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  • Hi everyone,

    I'm interested in the popes of the first century after Saint Peter, Saint Linus the second pope and Saint Anacletus the third pope. What kind of men were they and do any of their writings survive? Were doctrines like papal infallibility and universal jurisdiction all ready in place or did it take centuries for concepts like that to develop. How much power did they wield in the church at the time?

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    The early papacy
    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 12:29:32 PM »
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    Hi everyone,

    I'm interested in the popes of the first century after Saint Peter, Saint Linus the second pope and Saint Anacletus the third pope. What kind of men were they and do any of their writings survive? Were doctrines like papal infallibility and universal jurisdiction all ready in place or did it take centuries for concepts like that to develop. How much power did they wield in the church at the time?

    Thank you


    You can find these doctrines in Holy Scripture.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 01:01:01 AM »
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  • How did Saint Linus become pope? Did Saint Peter lay hands on him in 67 A.D before he was martyred? Or did the community in Rome elect him Pope? Did he see himself as sitting in the chair of peter with universal jurisdiction and infallibility and over the entire church or did take time for these doctrines to be fully developed and understood?

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    The early papacy
    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 01:28:11 AM »
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  • I would recommend The Papacy by Brezzi....  or Studies in Church History V1 by Fr Parsons.  Lives of the popes V123 by H Mann( not the prot H Mann) :cheers:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 06:56:45 PM »
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  • Vicars of Christ by Charles Coulombe...


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    « Reply #5 on: July 08, 2016, 07:46:17 AM »
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  • Thank you for the book recommendations, I'll look for those on amazon.

    The reason I asked this is because I was reading this book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300115970/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0300115970&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

     In it the author writes that the early church of Rome was most likely ruled by a council of elders and not by single ruling bishop. There is no proof that Linus, Clement, etc. were actually Popes.  A single bishop a Rome didn't occur until later in the 2nd century he claims.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2016, 02:40:24 PM »
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    Thank you for the book recommendations, I'll look for those on amazon.

    The reason I asked this is because I was reading this book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300115970/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0300115970&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

     In it the author writes that the early church of Rome was most likely ruled by a council of elders and not by single ruling bishop. There is no proof that Linus, Clement, etc. were actually Popes.  A single bishop a Rome didn't occur until later in the 2nd century he claims.


    The first century was incredibly turbulent.
    Much was destroyed. The letter of Clement seems to suggest
    Roman supremacy over the other churches, despite the fact
    that the church in Rome was the most persecuted most of
    the time, with the only possible exception being in Jerusalem.
    This is a complex subject. Irenaeus and Tertullian are among
    the most important sources. Linus appears in Acts.
    The apostle John, Polycarp line was in Smyrna.
    Don't confuse all the churches with apostolic succession with
    the bishop of Rome as the primacy among them. It is natural
    that the powers and abillities of the Roman bishops increased
    when the persecution of Christians in Rome was made illegal
    by Constantine.
    I think your best bet is the Charles Coulombe book above.
    If you want a sense of the confusion which Christianity
    sowed among the heathen get a copy of Patrology
    by Johannes Quasten.