That was me

Just wondering, what does pornography have to do with this?  There's probably some obvious reason I'm missing ,but nevertheless I am missing it.

A man  today can marry a girl 15, only because the parents don't have a clue who their daughter is going out with. 

As for me:

1) No male is going to go out with my daughter without my wife or I chaperoning
2) No man is going out with my daughter unless they can provide for a family.
3) My daughter can't go out with anyone till she is 18.

The last three posts were by me Last Tradhican

Broadly speaking, there is the expectation in today's society that voluntary marriage (i.e., marriage where the girl is not pregnant) will only take place after both partners have completed what is foreseen to be their terminal education or vocational training.  When a girl gets married at 18 or below, it is generally a concession by her that she will never do anything other than be a housewife and mother (which is the noblest of vocations for a laywoman), or some kind of menial job in retail or food service.  A boy who marries below the age of 21 or 22, unless he has some kind of potentially lucrative vocational training (plumber, welder, electrician, etc.), is conceding that he will never be able to support a larger family, and might well consider deferring marriage until he is better established in life, assuming that ever happens.  Our society basically treats anyone under 30 as a de facto minor whose life is devoted either to serious career development on the one hand, or pursuit of endless fun and "having one's space and freedom" while they "find themselves", on the other hand.  The military would be an exception to this.


One thing I think also needs to be brought up, is that both males and females (especially the latter) mature physically so much earlier than in times past, yet they are treated (in this regard) as children for many years, years during which they are physically mature, yet generally speaking, unsuited for marriage otherwise.  This is dangerous to purity --- they are surely physically equipped for marriage, and have all the accompanying desires, yet cannot act on them without committing the sin of fornication.  To remain chaste and virginal for over a decade, when desires are at their peak, requires heroic virtue and self-denial.

Nonsense!

A 15 year old female is a woman not a child.

St Elizabeth of Hungary married at 14 to Louis, Landgrave of Thuringia, and it was a particularly happy mrriage. Was this a case of rape?

What makes the present day 15 year old a woman?
1.  she is physically finished growing?            NO
2.  she has mental maturity?                         NO
3.  she has experience in anything?               NO
4.  she has knowledge of anything?                NO
5.  she has reached puberty?                         YES
So just because she can have children that makes her a woman?  What about the girls who are now reaching puberty at six and eight years old?   Not only that but getting pregnant at six and eight years old, does that make them a woman?

Songbird

What makes the present day 15 year old a woman?
1.  she is physically finished growing?            NO
2.  she has mental maturity?                         NO
3.  she has experience in anything?               NO
4.  she has knowledge of anything?                NO
5.  she has reached puberty?                         YES
So just because she can have children that makes her a woman?  What about the girls who are now reaching puberty at six and eight years old?   Not only that but getting pregnant at six and eight years old, does that make them a woman?

So had women in the time of St Elizabeth finished growing physically, had experience in or knowledge of anything, or reached puberty at the age of 15?  (Note that I omitted "mental maturity".  A 15 year old could well have had all the mental maturity they were ever going to have.)