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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on June 04, 2024, 07:01:41 PM
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Does anyone have information on Syon Abbey in Copper Hill, VA? Are they canonical. Sacraments valid? How many residents? Anyone attend The Mass at the Abbey? Any info is necessary for me.
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I couldn’t find any article that would reveal their understanding of the mordern(ist) church. All the emphasis is on the beauty of the archtecture and surrounds.
Here a photo of the “high altar”.
(https://i.imgur.com/oqq10QL.png)
https://www.liturgicalartsjournal.com/2020/04/21st-century-english-medieval-revival.html
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I couldn’t find any article that would reveal their understanding of the mordern(ist) church. All the emphasis is on the beauty of the archtecture and surrounds.
Here a photo of the “high altar”.
(https://i.imgur.com/oqq10QL.png)
https://www.liturgicalartsjournal.com/2020/04/21st-century-english-medieval-revival.html
The information about the architecture and grounds are articles written by persons who work for local newspapers. The monks have "walled" themselves in and care less what the "world" think perhaps rightly so.
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Must say I was shocked to see the very small altar. So out of proportion compared to the monolithic structure of the building itself. Looks more like a table.::)
Really sad.
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Must say I was shocked to see the very small altar. So out of proportion compared to the monolithic structure of the building itself. Looks more like a table.::)
Really sad.
Well, you’ll see this type of “austere” architecture even among some Traditional Catholic monastic Orders.
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Must say I was shocked to see the very small altar. So out of proportion compared to the monolithic structure of the building itself. Looks more like a table.::)
Really sad.
Better that than a table.
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Well, you’ll see this type of “austere” architecture even among some Traditional Catholic monastic Orders.
Absolutely!
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The information about the architecture and grounds are articles written by persons who work for local newspapers. The monks have "walled" themselves in and care less what the "world" think perhaps rightly so.
You must have missed the link, anon. I doubt that the Liturgical Arts Journal is the local rag! :facepalm:
If you know the monks, why not share your knowledge and answer the OP’s questions?
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You must have missed the link, anon. I doubt that the Liturgical Arts Journal is the local rag! :facepalm:
If you know the monks, why not share your knowledge and answer the OP’s questions?
Please post the link. There is a link from a thread ten years ago but now it's a 404 code or something like that.
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The link is under the image I posted.
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Does anyone have information on Syon Abbey in Copper Hill, VA? Are they canonical. Sacraments valid? How many residents? Anyone attend The Mass at the Abbey? Any info is necessary for me.
The last post dates back to 2012, but see this old thread for the basics: https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/
(https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/)Note that the abbey's website is no longer functional/accessible.
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The last post dates back to 2012, but see this old thread for the basics: https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/
(https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/)Note that the abbey's website is no longer functional/accessible.
Thank you for the link. The matter is now closed with me.
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Wow!
Just goes to show you should first check on CI.
Good find, Soubirous!
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Where did this odd Benedictine community get funds to have Cram's surviving architectural firm design and build this monastery? That architectural firm is the elite of the elite for ecclesiastical architecture. Some of the greatest church buildings in the USA were done by them.
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Where did this odd Benedictine community get funds to have Cram's surviving architectural firm design and build this monastery? That architectural firm is the elite of the elite for ecclesiastical architecture. Some of the greatest church buildings in the USA were done by them.
Possibly some financial "angel" or a wealthy person who left them everything they had.
Just guessing.
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The last time I had looked at Syon Abbey on Google Maps a year or two ago when I was looking for Sede churches near me, it said it was closed. But I'm seeing some recent reviews for it, so maybe it's open now. It's only two hours from where I live, so maybe I'll drive up to it one day to check it out.
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The last post dates back to 2012, but see this old thread for the basics: https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/
(https://cathinfo.com/general-discussion/syon-abbey-in-virgina/)Note that the abbey's website is no longer functional/accessible.
Bumping this due to the other recent, anonymous thread re: this location.
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Bumping this due to the other recent, anonymous thread re: this location.
I checked out both threads. They seem to be started by the same anon, as his last post said he intends to drive up and check it out. and it seems he did.
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I checked out both threads. They seem to be started by the same anon, as his last post said he intends to drive up and check it out. and it seems he did.
I think they are the same anon as well, but it looks like the poster that said they might check it out in this thread was sneedvacantist (and he can't be the anon poster too because his last time online is well before the new anon thread dealing with confession there).
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Here's something very profound from a lady that was buried at Syon Abbey in Virginia. Just passing it along because I liked what she said.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/241918120/mary-elizabeth-dimmel
Mary E. Dimmel
6115 Dumfries Road
Warrenton, Va 20187
Dear Mr. Andrews,
I hope that you will forgive this intrusion, but I am moved to share this with you:
At the birth of Jesus Christ the Sacred Scriptures tell us that the Angels sang "Glory to God in the highest and peace to men of good will." This has always startled me since our age places such a heavy emphasis on the intellect and its role in discovering truth. I have spent the summer considering the acting person, and I wish to pass on some of what I have discovered. The human soul is made of four powers: the will, the intellect, the imagination, and the memory. The Thomistic philosopher will tell you that the will is blind and waits eagerly to accept the truth which the intellect searches out and then presents to the will to embrace-thus it is the intellect which forms the will. The Augustinian philosopher, more in line with the Angelic proclamation, will tell you that the will is not created blind, but is made blind by sin. It is therefor the good will which sorts through what the intellect presents to it, deciding what is true and what is false. The will is good because it has abandoned self to find God and His truth. The bad will seeks itself and accepts falsehood as truth because it furthers the satisfaction in self. There are two sterling examples of the truth of this in Adam and Eve, and Satan. In both examples the intellect was perfected, there was no lack of knowledge. However, it was the determination of the bad will which substituted evil for good, and falsehoods for truth. It is important also to know that Satan can access with his distortions and temptations only our imagination. It is we ourselves who bring his evil into our wills, and thus our intellects.
The really "Good News" about all this is that our search for God and His truth does not rely on our intellect. It relies on the act of the will which says, "I abandon sin and self to seek God alone." Once the will is thus fashioned, all intellectual difficulties are as nothing, because God's grace of Faith, which He freely and abundantly gives to all, can now operate unhindered in the acting person. Thus, Faith will successfully seek understanding, because the will, through God's grace, will embrace only what is true. Faith then is not what we believe, but Who we believe. The question is: Do we believe God as He speaks through Revelation, or have we chosen another authority?
Revelation, in the Christian sense of the word, means the Word spoken by God to men. Correlatively, the faith which is a response to Christian revelation consists in holding for true whatever God has revealed and proposes, through His Church, for the belief of mankind. The God-given economy is an economy of revelation, and it is in the economy of revelation that man must work out his salvation. God has spoken: this is a fact attested by history. He has spoken first of all through the prophets, then through Jesus Christ, Word Incarnate, come to bring men to a knowledge of the true God. In Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, divine revelation reaches its peak, as activity, as message, and as economy. As a result, there exists only one religion: revealed religion. There exists also only one Church, founded by Christ and assisted by the Holy Ghost, through which the divine word comes down to us, immutable and absolute. The role of the Church is to preserve revealed doctrine forever intact, as a deposit, without adding or changing anything, bringing it to the knowledge of men as a good news, defending it against error and, if necessary, defining certain points by making explicit what was implicit and clarifying what was obscure. It is from this always living Church that we receive the object of our faith; the sources of revelation are in her hands together with the explanations she has received, and we go back to the original sources not to judge the Church's explanation, but rather to enlighten these sources in the light of the Church teaching, which tells us infallibly what they contain. To proceed in any other way would be to explain what is clear by what is obscure, to prefer what is indistinct to the explicit truth. The duty of man is to accept this revelation, that is, the word spoken by God, and to submit to it. Faith consists in holding for whatever God has said and revealed and whatever He proposes through His Church. In adhering thus to the truth proposed, with all his soul and in the spirit of the truth, the Christian inaugurates, in his heart, this knowledge of God which Jesus Christ foretold would have its completion in everlasting life.
Since fear is the beginning of the Wisdom of God, I offer you a truth which I pray you will accept. Hell is a reality, and our path to salvation begins with God's grace (given to all unreservedly) which must be responded to through an act of the will. God will not save us, without this act of the will to seek Him and believe Him when he speaks. We live in times which are confusing, but this will not excuse us, as all men have lived in such times. I ask you to wear this green scapular and pray fervently for the grace to respond willfully to God's grace of salvation. I will be offering all of my Holy Communions for the sake of your salvation in the month of September, and offer to you my willingness to discuss anything that troubles you.
Yours in Jesus Christ through Mary.
Mary
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I think they are the same anon as well, but it looks like the poster that said they might check it out in this thread was sneedvacantist (and he can't be the anon poster too because his last time online is well before the new anon thread dealing with confession there).
Yeah, I didn't start this thread.