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Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
« on: January 04, 2022, 11:53:25 AM »
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    • Someone was posting about lukewarmness and mediocrity. He included these two points:


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    It is not a sin to not wear a suit and tie to mass
    It is not a sin to wear jeans, t-shirts, flip flops, tank tops, sneakers, to dress bummy to mass.

    But what if you don't wear a suit and tie, but avoid such bummy clothes as well? Ever heard of a button down dress shirt, whether short or long sleeved? Often worn with a tie? Together with khaki pants, this would be quite acceptable for Mass. Especially if that was your Sunday Best. If that's what you'd wear to meet an important person, to a wedding or funeral, then it should be acceptable for Mass. I personally believe that the suit and tie is going the way of the briefcase, phonebook, and land line phone. It was a cultural thing, but younger generations are completely rejecting it in all contexts. Younger generations are more laid back in their dress. Their formal attire is less formal than older generations. That is why the Catholic Church gives timeless principles when describing a proper dress code, rather than a shopping list. Let's face it, for most of history the typical Western suit jacket and tie didn't even exist. Why couldn't it return to the void from whence it came?
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #1 on: January 04, 2022, 11:55:15 AM »
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    • I wear a dress shirt and dress pants to Mass, and I'm not the only one. My suit no longer fits me :facepalm:

    I would prefer a suit, but I have other things to pay for right now.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #2 on: January 04, 2022, 12:06:40 PM »
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    • Only your best clothes should always be worn in God's presence, Sundays or weekdays does not matter. Exceptions are made of course for wearing one's work clothes when they are unable to get home and change first, but regardless of what anyone else wears, it is a sign of great respect to Almighty God to always dress in your "Sunday Best" whenever you are in His presence. 
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #3 on: January 04, 2022, 12:20:07 PM »
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    But what if you don't wear a suit and tie, but avoid such bummy clothes as well? Ever heard of a button down dress shirt, whether short or long sleeved? Often worn with a tie? Together with khaki pants, this would be quite acceptable for Mass. Especially if that was your Sunday Best. If that's what you'd wear to meet an important person, to a wedding or funeral, then it should be acceptable for Mass. I personally believe that the suit and tie is going the way of the briefcase, phonebook, and land line phone. It was a cultural thing, but younger generations are completely rejecting it in all contexts. Younger generations are more laid back in their dress. Their formal attire is less formal than older generations. That is why the Catholic Church gives timeless principles when describing a proper dress code, rather than a shopping list. Let's face it, for most of history the typical Western suit jacket and tie didn't even exist. Why couldn't it return to the void from whence it came?


    I disagree, at least to a point. I think that we should resist the downward pull of the surrounding culture and dress better for Mass than we would for anything else. I'm not claiming that nice clothes make someone more Holy, but they do serve as a reminder that we are at the most important thing that God has given us, the place where he truly gives us Himself. We're not stopping off at Wal-Mart or just putting in our time so we can go do something fun.

    Second-hand stores are pretty common in the U.S., I have personally purchased nice suit coats for $5 and ties for $1 or $2. In fact, while I have bought brand new suits my favorite, and the highest quality suit coat that I own, is 2nd hand.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 04, 2022, 12:28:01 PM »
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    • To me this is similar to the "broken Windows" policing of NYPD in the 80s. 


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    “Social psychologists and police officers tend to agree that if a window in a building is broken and is left unrepaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken. This is as true in nice neighborhoods as in rundown ones.”
    If someone comes to Mass wearing jeans and nobody corrects that person, other people may by symbiosis, start wearing jeans. Next thing you know, people are wearing "trendy" ripped up jeans or jeans with grease marks and "vintage" clothing, or "distressed-look" clothing. This is what happens at NO parishes and some priests every once in a while remind people about dressing up.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #5 on: January 04, 2022, 12:36:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Emile on January 04, 2022, 12:20:07 PM

    I think that we should resist the downward pull of the surrounding culture and dress better for Mass than we would for anything else. I'm not claiming that nice clothes make someone more Holy, but they do serve as a reminder that we are at the most important thing that God has given us, the place where he truly gives us Himself. We're not stopping off at Wal-Mart or just putting in our time so we can go do something fun.

    Second-hand stores are pretty common in the U.S., I have personally purchased nice suit coats for $5 and ties for $1 or $2. In fact, while I have bought brand new suits my favorite, and the highest quality suit coat that I own, is 2nd hand.

    ^This!
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #6 on: January 04, 2022, 01:49:11 PM »
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    • Why not dress like Jesus and Mary? Let's all wear robes and sandals.

    When did the Magisterium define 1950's haberdashery as de fide?
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    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2022, 01:58:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 01:49:11 PM
    Why not dress like Jesus and Mary? Let's all wear robes and sandals.
    If I lived in the Holy Land at the time of Christ I would.

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    When did the Magisterium define 1950's haberdashery as de fide?

    With that statement you are just being an idiot and I think you know it.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2022, 02:01:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 04, 2022, 11:55:15 AM
    I wear a dress shirt and dress pants to Mass, and I'm not the only one. My suit no longer fits me :facepalm:

    I would prefer a suit, but I have other things to pay for right now.
    That's me exactly.  I got an Uomo Pronto black blazer from Goodwill for $6, spent $30 to alter it, and I usually wear it with a dress shirt, tie, and Wrangler slacks, which if you take care of them, look almost like they could be from a suit.  Men's Wearhouse is running a sale, but I don't know if they have my size.  I have my doubts that something called "Modern Fit" would be for me.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2022, 02:04:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
    With that statement you are just being an idiot and I think you know it.

    It's always nice coming to CathInfo.... the charity some exhibit to others here is boundless.

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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2022, 02:07:42 PM »
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    • It's not just the younger generation.  More and more workplaces are going casual, and when people work from home, they can wear whatever.  If you have a video call, you can quickly put on a different shirt, while sitting in your undewear.  :laugh1:

    But if you see old picutres from earlier this century and before, people wore suit and tie just to go out anywhere, and even when they were at home.  Men wouldn't even go to a grocery store without proper attire.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 04, 2022, 02:09:27 PM »
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    • My grandparents (when they were younger) and great-grandparents had very little spare change between them.  But they always wore a suit and long dress to Mass each Sunday.  Those times are no longer here.  I can't imagine (fiscal) times being worse now than way back then, so it would seem it is a matter of choice.  That, and society in general has eschewed formal wear.  
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2022, 02:19:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:09:27 PM
    My grandparents (when they were younger) and great-grandparents had very little spare change between them.  But they always wore a suit and long dress to Mass each Sunday.  Those times are no longer here.  I can't imagine (fiscal) times being worse now than way back then, so it would seem it is a matter of choice.  That, and society in general has eschewed formal wear. 

    Darn anon posting... that was me above.

    Also, I wanted to add that I have about five pairs of suits, all pushing 20 years old.  None of them fit me anymore because, well.... should probably spend less time online and more time in meatspace. Regardless, I do attempt to wear dress pants, dress shirt/tie and, depending upon the season, either a sport jacket, knitted sweater (or both), when attending Mass on Sundays.  If I attend during the week, it's usually what I'm wearing for work, which is business casual.

    I really should try to wear suits more often, but I never really liked wearing them.  That being said, I can attest to the fact that people treat you quite differently when wearing suit as opposed to just about anything else.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #13 on: January 04, 2022, 02:26:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on January 04, 2022, 02:19:38 PM
    I really should try to wear suits more often, but I never really liked wearing them.  That being said, I can attest to the fact that people treat you quite differently when wearing suit as opposed to just about anything else.

    Yes, after Sunday Mass, if I'm stopping into a gas station still wearing my suit, ... it definitely gets noticed.  You know, for all the girls that want to get noticed, nothing will do that than wearing a very nice formal dress into store.  They'll get men holding doors for them and being extra polite.  No, they don't have to stick their behinds out of short jeans to get noticed.
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    • Who was saying what you wear doesn't matter? 

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