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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2022, 05:01:49 PM »
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  • Do you think that the culture of 2022 is more influenced by Christian standards than the culture of 1950?
    Also, I am an adult, not a snot-nosed teenager who is struck dumb with terror at the thought of being different than his peers. And while we are on that subject I actually respect my forebears, while still acknowledging their faults. Your display of contempt for your elders is no virtue and is not a good sign for your future.

    I was wishing I could down-thumb the post to which this was a response.  Thank you for this response. 


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    « Reply #31 on: January 04, 2022, 05:12:25 PM »
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  • I am completely in agreement that we should wear our very best clothing to Mass, to meet Christ our King. But there's nothing intrinsic about 1950's business attire (suit and tie) that makes it always and everywhere the best, much less the only, choice. Younger generations look on the old suit and tie as being excessively fake. They would only wear it ironically.

    Don't you think the venerable suit and tie was a step down for some at the time? What, no hat? Not saying it should be worn inside the church building, but part of your wardrobe to the church. Besides, when you wear a hat you have something you can actively doff to show respect for the Blessed Sacrament, as well as any ladies you might pass. And what kind of immature boy doesn't have a gold watch on a chain, and a monocle? And what gentleman doesn't wear a white pair of gloves when motoring about? And make sure to grease your hair and wax your mustache when dressing up for church, at least on Sunday.

    Some of the posts here are completely ridiculous.  It's not like suits & ties are antiquated & out of style as a monocle.  Even in the utter decay of our society which corresponded with the degeneration in dress which led to those hideous ripped jeans depicted in an earlier post, professional men still wear suits, or jacket & tie.  And seriously, if a man here were to testify to Congress, or appear in court, or meet some high dignitary, would you wear casual attire?  I bet not, and yet here you are acting like it's too much to wear such dignified, proper attire to appear before & receive the Creator of the Universe & your Redeemer.  

    The day I let the poor misguided "younger generations" dictate how I dress for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, heaven help me.    :(


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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #32 on: January 04, 2022, 05:34:09 PM »
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  •   And seriously, if a man here were to testify to Congress, or appear in court, or meet some high dignitary, would you wear casual attire?  I bet not, and yet here you are acting like it's too much to wear such dignified, proper attire to appear before & receive the Creator of the Universe & your Redeemer. 

    The day I let the poor misguided "younger generations" dictate how I dress for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, heaven help me.    :(

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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #33 on: January 04, 2022, 05:50:54 PM »
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  • The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.
    Wow, you must have a very weak stomach. Are you often offended easily?
    By the way, do you mean USA-centered? America-centeredness means a different thing to someone in Argentina for example, as they are also American (South American to be more precise).

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    « Reply #34 on: January 04, 2022, 10:44:36 PM »
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  • It's always nice coming to CathInfo.... the charity some exhibit to others here is boundless.
    Always glad when I can brighten your day, Bonny! 


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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #35 on: January 05, 2022, 01:32:10 AM »
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  • inb4 someone chimes in with

    "you know (((who))) subverted European fashion and turned our culture slutty?"

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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #36 on: January 05, 2022, 01:51:23 AM »
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  • I don't even know how to tie a tie so I am left with a polo and khakis. I would have to check my closet to see what else I have.

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    « Reply #37 on: January 05, 2022, 04:58:13 AM »
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  • I don't even know how to tie a tie so I am left with a polo and khakis. I would have to check my closet to see what else I have.


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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #38 on: January 05, 2022, 12:02:59 PM »
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  • The very first obvious response to be made is why is this topic in the anonymous forum?  In addition to not having good taste in vesture and grooming (era / venue appropriate of course) apparently some are incapable of reading or understanding the guidelines for this forum.  Perhaps that is why they wish to remain anonymous though :jester:.
     
    I was born in 1951 and have observed evolving style trends.  I recall when everyone at Mass wore their ‘Sunday Best’, gentlemen in suits with ties (and often a wool dress hat, churches would sometimes have clips on the pew back to hang the hat during Mass), women in nice dresses and shoes, and usually a hat rather than a veil.  Visiting elderly relatives, even into my college years in the early 1970’s, I noted that though they were retired and perhaps not even going out, they would upon arising dress for the day and be well groomed … the gentleman in slacks, a collared shirt, and dress shoes, perhaps a sweater or even a coat and tie … the women would comb their hair, put on a nice dress and shoes, perhaps some Jєωelry or makeup if that was their custom.  I found this to be true even for people who worked on farms or at factories and couldn’t always dress this way in their working and family raising days.  They would of course dress appropriately for an activity such as working in the garden or shoveling snow.  I was an animal science major at university.  Professors always wore suites, or at least slacks, dress shoes, collared shirts, and always a tie.  When we had live animal labs they would put on coveralls and overshoe boots ~ they didn’t dress down (how we students dressed was another story).
     
    There have been some ridiculous references to “top hat, double breasted trench coat, waxed mustache, gloves, monocle, gold watch, or cane with a brass ball”.  Only the minority “upper crust” dressed like this, and it’s no argument for a slovenly appearance by everyone else.  The working class still generally had their “best dress standard” that they followed.  My work has been with dairy and beef cattle, which was often solitary and usually messy.  For part of my career I was in biz to farm sales where I interacted with people as well as the cows.  It always seemed appropriate to be well groomed and have good hygiene (however one defines those) and to start out the day with clean and nice clothing appropriate to the day’s work tasks.  Outside of work I applied (and still do) the same standard.  I dress differently for church, a funeral,or wedding than for running errands or going to the library (the distinction being I am sometimes dressed up for errands or the library).  I would dress differently for the bowling alley than for going to the weight room at the gym (I don’t bowl but it looks like fun).
     
    Currently I work various part time / on call positions in the gig economy:
     
    I teach First Aid and CPR for the Red Cross.  I notice that many instructors wear jeans, casual / athletic shoes, and maybe even just a t-shirt.  I always wear khaki or grey slacks, dress shoes or boots, and a Red Cross polo.  Student evaluations of my classes have commented on the professional appearance of the instructor.
     
    I am an assistant at a funeral home.  Working at a service gives one a vantage point of seeing just how casual and sloven society has become (though I am noticing that some among the younger generation may be turning things around as compared to their elders).  While on a First Call we dress just as we would for a service (with the rare exception perhaps of an outdoor accident scene where everything is going to be messy), even if it is a middle of the night call at a nursing home or hospital with no family present.  Staff at these facilities often mention that we dress nicer than people from the other funeral homes.  As we never know when we’ll get called, when I’m out and about I’ll typically be in dress shoes and slacks and a white shirt.  The suite coat or blazer and a tie will be in the car if I’m not already wearing them.  My observation is that when dressed up one is taken more seriously by shop and office staff, and dressing up when going out is my new norm, even when I’m not on call for the mortuary.
     
    For a final example, not long ago after working a funeral (I was in black dress shoes, a black wool suit, white shirt, black and silver tie) I stopped by a supermarket on my way home.  The clerk (’20 something’) said (paraphrasing) “You look really nice; Where did you get your suite? I need to get one”.
     
    While standards, styles, and attitudes do shift, in the U.S. in the second decade of the 21st century the classic business suit is still considered the ‘gold standard’ for looking one’s best, and people do notice when one makes the effort to dress nicely.



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    « Reply #39 on: January 05, 2022, 12:15:16 PM »
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #40 on: January 05, 2022, 12:21:13 PM »
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  • I am an assistant at a funeral home.  Working at a service gives one a vantage point of seeing just how casual and sloven society has become (though I am noticing that some among the younger generation may be turning things around as compared to their elders).  While on a First Call we dress just as we would for a service (with the rare exception perhaps of an outdoor accident scene where everything is going to be messy), even if it is a middle of the night call at a nursing home or hospital with no family present.  Staff at these facilities often mention that we dress nicer than people from the other funeral homes.  As we never know when we’ll get called, when I’m out and about I’ll typically be in dress shoes and slacks and a white shirt.  The suite coat or blazer and a tie will be in the car if I’m not already wearing them.  My observation is that when dressed up one is taken more seriously by shop and office staff, and dressing up when going out is my new norm, even when I’m not on call for the mortuary.

    When they came to get my father back in July, the funeral home men, two of them, came wearing suits and ties.  I was inspired by this, because, in all honesty, I had never given any thought to how they would be dressed.  In his day, my father was quite the sharp dresser.



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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #41 on: January 06, 2022, 12:19:11 AM »
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  • And what kind of immature boy doesn't have a gold watch on a chain, and a monocle? And what gentleman doesn't wear a white pair of gloves when motoring about? And make sure to grease your hair and wax your mustache when dressing up for church, at least on Sunday.
    I only date men who wear monocles.:laugh2:

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    « Reply #42 on: January 06, 2022, 12:21:31 AM »
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  • Well, you live in 2022 and, guess what? Only weirdos dress like it's 1950.

    even in 2022 it's not difficult to dress neatly and modestly without dressing like a prig or dandy.
    I guess I’m a prig. If my choice was between the 1950’s dresses and the shredded jeans, I’d take the dresses, hands down!  

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    « Reply #43 on: January 06, 2022, 01:02:01 AM »
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  • For those who don't mind the jeans and screen t-shirts as their "Sunday best". What is the excuse? Don't tell me that "God does not care about what you wear, only what is in your heart" because I don't think you really believe that yourself.

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    « Reply #44 on: January 06, 2022, 01:38:26 PM »
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  • For those who don't mind the jeans and screen t-shirts as their "Sunday best". What is the excuse? Don't tell me that "God does not care about what you wear, only what is in your heart" because I don't think you really believe that yourself.

    Strawman. The whole point of this thread, I believe, was that Suit jacket and tie vs. ripped jeans is a false dilemma.