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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2022, 02:34:48 PM »
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    • Also, look up "Enclothed Cognition".  Studies have been done which demonstrate the effect which clothing has upon a person's mental process and the way he thinks, feels, and functions, in areas like attention, confidence, or abstract thinking.  They can affect a person's performance, ability to think abstractly, & ability to negotiate.
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    « Reply #16 on: January 04, 2022, 02:36:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
    If I lived in the Holy Land at the time of Christ I would.

    With that statement you are just being an idiot and I think you know it.
    Well, you live in 2022 and, guess what? Only weirdos dress like it's 1950.

    even in 2022 it's not difficult to dress neatly and modestly without dressing like a prig or dandy.
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    « Reply #17 on: January 04, 2022, 02:38:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2022, 02:07:42 PM
    It's not just the younger generation.  More and more workplaces are going casual, and when people work from home, they can wear whatever.  If you have a video call, you can quickly put on a different shirt, while sitting in your undewear.  :laugh1:

    But if you see old picutres from earlier this century and before, people wore suit and tie just to go out anywhere, and even when they were at home.  Men wouldn't even go to a grocery store without proper attire.

    As the OP points out, what is proper attire tends to change with the times, being purely cultural. We no longer wear robes to Mass, as they did in the early Church. When did a suit and tie become the eternal, automatic sunday best for all peoples and cultures?  The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.
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    « Reply #18 on: January 04, 2022, 02:39:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:38:42 PM
    As the OP points out, what is proper attire tends to change with the times, being purely cultural. We no longer wear robes to Mass, as they did in the early Church. When did a suit and tie become the eternal, automatic sunday best for all peoples and cultures?  The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.
    ^^^ This!
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    « Reply #19 on: January 04, 2022, 02:48:16 PM »
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    • I am completely in agreement that we should wear our very best clothing to Mass, to meet Christ our King. But there's nothing intrinsic about 1950's business attire (suit and tie) that makes it always and everywhere the best, much less the only, choice. Younger generations look on the old suit and tie as being excessively fake. They would only wear it ironically.

    Don't you think the venerable suit and tie was a step down for some at the time? What, no hat? Not saying it should be worn inside the church building, but part of your wardrobe to the church. Besides, when you wear a hat you have something you can actively doff to show respect for the Blessed Sacrament, as well as any ladies you might pass. And what kind of immature boy doesn't have a gold watch on a chain, and a monocle? And what gentleman doesn't wear a white pair of gloves when motoring about? And make sure to grease your hair and wax your mustache when dressing up for church, at least on Sunday.
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    « Reply #20 on: January 04, 2022, 02:53:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:36:53 PM
    Well, you live in 2022 and, guess what? Only weirdos dress like it's 1950.

    even in 2022 it's not difficult to dress neatly and modestly without dressing like a prig or dandy.
    Do you think that the culture of 2022 is more influenced by Christian standards than the culture of 1950?
    Also, I am an adult, not a snot-nosed teenager who is struck dumb with terror at the thought of being different than his peers. And while we are on that subject I actually respect my forebears, while still acknowledging their faults. Your display of contempt for your elders is no virtue and is not a good sign for your future.
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    « Reply #21 on: January 04, 2022, 02:57:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
    Only your best clothes should always be worn in God's presence, Sundays or weekdays does not matter. Exceptions are made of course for wearing one's work clothes when they are unable to get home and change first, but regardless of what anyone else wears, it is a sign of great respect to Almighty God to always dress in your "Sunday Best" whenever you are in His presence. 

    Some guys don't do suits period. Might as well be Victorian gentleman's attire for all they are concerned. Does God expect any of us to wear a top hat, double breasted trench coat, waxed mustache, gloves, monocle, gold watch, or cane with a brass ball on the top? I'll lend you a clue though. This was Sunday Best for that time period. No longer. Apparently some things are not eternal.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #22 on: January 04, 2022, 03:02:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:38:42 PM
    As the OP points out, what is proper attire tends to change with the times, being purely cultural. We no longer wear robes to Mass, as they did in the early Church. When did a suit and tie become the eternal, automatic sunday best for all peoples and cultures?  The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.

    Of course it's somewhat culturally- and historically- relative.  But in our culture a suit and tie are not totally out of place and send a real message.  When I do stop at gas stations and someobody asks me what the occasion is for my dressing up, I tell them it's for Mass.
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    « Reply #23 on: January 04, 2022, 03:02:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:53:53 PM
    Do you think that the culture of 2022 is more influenced by Christian standards than the culture of 1950?
    Also, I am an adult, not a snot-nosed teenager who is struck dumb with terror at the thought of being different than his peers. And while we are on that subject I actually respect my forebears, while still acknowledging their faults. Your display of contempt for your elders is no virtue and is not a good sign for your future.

    1950 was more amenable to all things good and Catholic. That having been said, I wouldn't imitate everything 1950's as being automatically good. The 50's brought us baby formula, TV dinners, soap operas, canned food, and many other non-wholesome things which 2022, with all its faults and downsides, is slowly helping us get rid of. Modern millennials and zoomers are much more amenable to breast feeding and homeschooling. People make fun of younger generations when they are health conscious and shop farmers markets and want things organic. Why? 
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    « Reply #24 on: January 04, 2022, 03:05:17 PM »
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    • 99% of those 1950 Catholics went Novus Ordo. No reason to imitate them.
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    « Reply #25 on: January 04, 2022, 03:08:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:53:53 PM
    Do you think that the culture of 2022 is more influenced by Christian standards than the culture of 1950?
    Also, I am an adult, not a snot-nosed teenager who is struck dumb with terror at the thought of being different than his peers. And while we are on that subject I actually respect my forebears, while still acknowledging their faults. Your display of contempt for your elders is no virtue and is not a good sign for your future.

    Do you think that the culture of 1950 is more influenced by Christian standards than the culture of the 12th century A.D.?

    If 1950's sartorial standards were a matter from the perennial and unchangeable Magisterium, then two millennia of Christians have "disrespected" their forbears.

    Did good Catholics of the 1950's rave about how Catholics should dress like the 1870's?
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #26 on: January 04, 2022, 03:15:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:38:42 PM
    The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.

    Yes, it was only "America" who wore suits/ties in the past.  :facepalm:

    1930's Berlin


    1940's Dublin


    1950's Poland


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    « Reply #27 on: January 04, 2022, 03:59:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:28:27 PM


    Who was saying what you wear doesn't matter?
    Seems many things went wrong in the 50s and 60s and fashion was no exception. Miniskirts were popularized in the 60s. Men's polo shirts are a 50s/60s thing from what I've read.
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #28 on: January 04, 2022, 04:43:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 04, 2022, 02:01:19 PM
    That's me exactly.  I got an Uomo Pronto black blazer from Goodwill for $6, spent $30 to alter it, and I usually wear it with a dress shirt, tie, and Wrangler slacks, which if you take care of them, look almost like they could be from a suit.  Men's Wearhouse is running a sale, but I don't know if they have my size.  I have my doubts that something called "Modern Fit" would be for me.
    I'm probably going to opt for a sweater vest with a nice button-down shirt and pleats or nice slacks. It seems to be a nice alternative to the suit and tie look, and I'm finding myself drifting more and more toward classic "dad attire" anyway (I started tucking in all of my shirts kind of out of nowhere recently) :laugh1:
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    Re: Suit and tie going the way of VCR tapes and landline phones
    « Reply #29 on: January 04, 2022, 04:46:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on January 04, 2022, 02:38:42 PM
    As the OP points out, what is proper attire tends to change with the times, being purely cultural. We no longer wear robes to Mass, as they did in the early Church. When did a suit and tie become the eternal, automatic sunday best for all peoples and cultures?  The America-centeredness from some members in this thread is nauseating.
    Where did the idea that the OP was addressing every Catholic in every nation of the world come in?
    Most of the members of CI live in the US or in western Europe, so the natural assumption on a topic like this, unless stated otherwise, is what would pertain to them. If CI membership was made up of mostly Zimbabweans we would naturally assume that we were talking about that culture, so I honestly don't understand your complaint.

    BTW I have nothing against other nations and am glad to get a chance to know people from other cultures.
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