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« on: June 06, 2013, 08:06:08 PM »
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  • hello,
    I have a question...I am 24 years old and I'm not from a trad family at all. I don't have a job but I am offered plenty of times when I can make money (God has blessed me like you can't even believe...keeping me from the actual 'woman workforce'). For one, I babysit for a protestant family, work at a bazaar, take care of my grandfather (my aunt insists to pay me...even though I would rather hang out with him all day than pretty much anyone else I know), taking care of people's animals/farms, I also substitute teach at the N.O. school where my mom is secretary (this is rare, maybe 2-3 times per month for $50 a day). My question is : If I am teaching at the school am I (in some ways) 'accepting the N.O.'? I wonder, because I have a good feeling when I am with the kids. I pray God to help me give Him glory when I speak. Everyday I am there I teach the students (all different grades) about different saints and about the Eucharist and crushing heresies/satan. For the most part, they respond REALLY WELL to what I say. Everytime I go back they say "tell us more of the saints! please!' they just love it. I want to teach them all of the lessons that I didn't learn at catholic school...but how can I teach them the beauty of the Holy Eucharist if I believe the N.O. to be damaging to the faith...and even invalid? I cannot say: "come children......2.5 hours to Danbury CT to see what I am going all crazy over (I am very passionate/giddy when I talk of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament....i can't help this!!)"
    please...my conscience doesn't feel bad (except when I listen to some of the conversations a few of the teachers have among themselves (which =much scandal/disgusting things)
    I want to tell you that I am not 'out working' all the time. These jobs are just '2 days in june' or '3 days in july'...nothing permanent. I also take care of my brother's six children that I live with. I am their 'other moma' haha. The little bit money that I make outside the home just goes to help out the twelve of us who live here--with oil, propane, food, etc. I just wonder if I am sinning with the catholic school. It doesn't seem to me so, but I would appreciate what anyone has to tell me.

    ~laura


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    « Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 08:10:43 PM »
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  • Laura, so long as you're not required to teach things that are against the Faith, you're okay.  

    However, I wonder what you do about mass?  You are surely required to participate?


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    « Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 08:23:55 PM »
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  • thank you;
    tomorrow is actually the first time I have to bring my class to mass. I only very recently had the the courage to defy even my parents in attending the NO. My dad understands....and even though he would FAR prefer a true mass,, he still attends the NO (with reluctance because it's 'protestant' 'foolish' etc.) He will bring me to resistance priests when he can, though.
    This, tomorrow, will be my first time attending NO mass since I stopped going (if that makes any sense). Of course I will not participate, but am sad that I am even going at all. The horrible feeling for me is that the priest really loves me (he thinks I am just a crazy and odd girl =) I wish I had courage to talk with him and help him turn truly to Christ, but he is so steeped in NO....it;s unimaginable that I would ever talk to him about Vatican II and such. God willing....!

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    « Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 08:48:48 PM »
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  • My issue with working at a NO or any school that uses secular texts is they are based on secular humanism. I don't know about sin but I couldn't in good conscience expose a child to that.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 09:02:25 PM »
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    so long as you're not required to teach things that are against the Faith


    Most secular texts are written to destroy Christian thought. I don't see how Christians could participate in most schools.



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    « Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 09:22:10 PM »
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  • I'm completely certain that many of the books are very harmful, but when I teach I don't actually use the books except for spelling and grammar. Usually I am substituting for a 'floating class' such as music, computers, art. During this time they say 'do what you will' so that is when I teach them the saints. One time i was teaching religion and I started reading the book and I was just so shocked at how absolutely BORING it was....and DULL!....wow, it really degraded the faith! I just told them 'close your books, I will tell you about St. Cecilia'. They were really so enthralled and they all asked 'ms. laura ms. laura....can i be a saint!' (they were 3rd grade) haha they were so cute!
     
    One time I was talking about marriage and an 8th grade boy said (with a wise tone) 'um. that is sexist' (for me explaining women's roles)...   when I explained more clearly, to this poor misguided soul, why a woman should be very lucky to serve a good man.....he began to respect me a lot more. He was so indoctrinated to think that everything is anti-woman.....when that is such the opposite. Clearly, this boy was clever enough to see that I do not feel a victim of the 'big bad male' as most girls do. I feel happy.
     I want to convert all the those kids so bad..because they are being led to hell by people who have a little power and influence. it is so frustrating! :whistleblower:

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    « Reply #6 on: June 06, 2013, 09:57:43 PM »
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  • It's not about feeling happy or how "cute" the children are. Their souls are at stake here. Because you told them a saint story they enjoyed does does not make participating in the harm  (which you admit to seeing) OK.


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    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 06:01:15 AM »
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  • Take every opportunity you can to inspire the children with stories of the saints. Remember that in a NO school they're probably getting an indifferent religious education anyway, so teach them right doctrine as often as you can.

    As far as attendance at the Newmess goes, usher the kids in and stay in the back of the room. Excuse yourself to the ladies'.Go take a phone call. Sit in the back and pray the Rosary. In any case, seize the opportunity to pray for the souls of these children, their families and the staff of the school. Pray that they would be faithful to the Church as far as it is possible in that environment and that each departure from the truth would be revealed as false.

    Know that I, among others but especially, will be praying for you. I find myself pretty much alone in my efforts to learn Tradition and obey Holy Church as I seek to be formally and publicly united with Her one day. I live in a place where truly faithful Catholic parishes simply do not exist.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 07:18:27 AM »
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    As far as attendance at the Newmess goes, usher the kids in and stay in the back of the room. .


    You are telling her to participate in bringing children (under her authority) to something that is known to be dangerous but it's OK as long as she excuses herself and doesn't get too close to it herself.


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    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 07:31:36 AM »
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    they're probably getting an indifferent religious education anyway, so teach them right doctrine as often as you can.


    The worst compromises are made from this view and I see it often has to do with children.
    They are on the wrong path anyway, so try to do some good, even if it means compromising and participating in the evil that is hurting the children? Try to give them some "good values" while participating in a system that destroys them? :stare:

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    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 07:52:04 AM »
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  • Also no matter where we are, we are responsible for the children under our authority and that includes correcting them. I can't imagine in a NO it's possible to correct them to Catholic standards when the standards for the school are very worldly. Most NO schools have the children wearing shorts for gym, the children speak of pop culture like secular music or tv shows between themselves, and they do not expect the girls to have a ladylike demeanor.



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    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 07:55:08 AM »
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  • Tiffany, those children are going to be there whether Laura is a substitute teacher there or not.

    If she can teach them about the Faith there she is doing a very good deed.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 08:32:54 AM »
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  • So if practices to destroy the faith and conscience of children are already set up, we can participate as an authority figure because it's going to happen with or without us?


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    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 08:35:29 AM »
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    So if practices to destroy the faith and conscience of children are already set up, we can participate as an authority figure because it's going to happen with or without us?


    Are Catholics not supposed to care for the children of those in error?

    If a child has parents in the NO, does that mean he can't have a trad nanny who teaches him about saints, because she is participating with the parents who are authority figures?

    If someone who teaches does not directly participate in harmful teaching, then it is a legitimate occupation.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 08:40:25 AM »
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  • In my place of employment I am surrounded by attendees of the Newchurch. Should I encourage them in the things they ARE doing the Traditional way, such as Friday abstinence, etc, or should I ignore them altogether because I can't simply march into their Newchurch meetings and drag them out?

    Perhaps the OP should just go lock the classroom door at mess-service time and refuse to bring the children in to the chapel.

    The OP's personal spiritual life needs to be strengthened and nourished by worthy reception of the Sacraments and intentional spiritual formation and direction, but it's clear that not every circuмstance is an opportunity to win the entire war with one decisive onslaught. We must remember that these are souls we're talking about, not answers on a test. If the OP causes offense as a BY-PRODUCT of genuine effort to teach the True Faith, that's one thing, but nothing will or could be gained by a bull/china-shop approach, least of all the OP's livelihood. There's nothing noble about using a chainsaw when a surgical scalpel is not only available but necessary and most prudent.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.