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Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2019, 04:51:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 20, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
    You’re welcome! The only other thing I would suggest is to make sure, in the future, that you only go to a valid priest for confession, such as a priest ordained in early 1968 or before, a Lefebvre, Thuc (be careful as all are not safe) or Mendez line priest (SSPV). There are also valid Eastern rite priests.
    I just made a general confession on Monday with a Society priest. I had concerns about the validly of past confessions and so did the Society priest. That’s why I made a general confession and I confessed this sin. I think I’m just scrupling about it.
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #16 on: April 21, 2019, 02:49:09 PM »
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    • I did not mean to deny the OP’s sin especially if he could anticipate that the woman was going to do this or of course if he actively encouraged it. 

    But my point was that this woman was also guilty of a range of sins and cannot be absolved of that guilt except through confession and repentance. 
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #17 on: April 21, 2019, 10:00:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 20, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
    You’re welcome! The only other thing I would suggest is to make sure, in the future, that you only go to a valid priest for confession, such as a priest ordained in early 1968 or before, a Lefebvre, Thuc (be careful as all are not safe) or Mendez line priest (SSPV). There are also valid Eastern rite priests.

    So, as an aside, you happen to question the Mendez line?  What in particular are your concerns?  Also, which Thuc lines do you have issues with?  Just curious.
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #18 on: April 21, 2019, 10:02:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on April 20, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
    I just made a general confession on Monday with a Society priest. I had concerns about the validly of past confessions and so did the Society priest. That’s why I made a general confession and I confessed this sin. I think I’m just scrupling about it.

    Yes, perhaps.  But if the Society priest had some questions about past confessions, then you did the right thing.  If it were mere scruples, then I'm sure he would have called that out.  In the end, trusting your spiritual director (while being completely open) is the best remedy for scruples.  If he tells you to let something drop because it's just scruples, then you can safely be at peace letting it drop.
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #19 on: April 21, 2019, 11:52:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2019, 10:02:36 PM
    Yes, perhaps.  But if the Society priest had some questions about past confessions, then you did the right thing.  If it were mere scruples, then I'm sure he would have called that out.  In the end, trusting your spiritual director (while being completely open) is the best remedy for scruples.  If he tells you to let something drop because it's just scruples, then you can safely be at peace letting it drop.
    I asked the Society priest if I could make a general confession because of past confessions with Novus Ordo priests and he said it would be a good idea. After making the general confessions I was at peace and had no doubts. Only the next day did my scruples kick in and I began questioning if I did everything right (now I know why scrupulous people should NOT make GCs!!!). I confessed my use of abortifacients and only 4 days later was I questioning it. Classic scruple!  :fryingpan:
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    « Reply #20 on: April 22, 2019, 12:05:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: SusanneT on April 19, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
    Assuming it was consensual sex  - as a woman I would say that the woman’s sin is by a long way the greater.  Sorry feminists.
    From the Bill Clinton era, It all depends on the meaning of "is"
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #21 on: April 22, 2019, 12:47:43 AM »
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    • If your confessor says that you are forgiven then you are forgiven.
    Give thanks to Jesus.
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #22 on: April 22, 2019, 04:35:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
    So, as an aside, you happen to question the Mendez line?  What in particular are your concerns?  Also, which Thuc lines do you have issues with?  Just curious.
    Sorry I wasn’t more clear. I have no issue with the Mendez line. As for the Thuc line, I have absolutely no issue with the Carmona, Zamora, nor Des Lauriers lines. I haven’t had the need to investigate any of the other lines, but I would look more into it if the need was there.
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    Re: Moral Question Regarding Abortifacients
    « Reply #23 on: April 22, 2019, 04:45:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
    So, as an aside, you happen to question the Mendez line?  What in particular are your concerns?  Also, which Thuc lines do you have issues with?  Just curious.
    One point that I neglected to mention about the Mendez line is the fact that, other than the SSPV Holy Orders, It is almost certain that he used the NO Roman Pontifical for any pre-SSPV ordinations or episcopal consecrations.
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