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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2020, 10:58:59 PM »
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  • You cannot be a white nationalist and be a Catholic at the same time you can be one or you can be the other but the two are incompatible. Pope Pius XI clearly said so.  

    Pius XI clearly said that race, people, state etc. do have an essential and honorable place within the earthly order.

    We won't need German, anti-Jєωιѕн, anti-Polish, and anti-French nationalists in heaven, but here on earth they do have an essential and honorable place. That's what Pius XI unequivocally said!


    These "white nationalist" Stormfront-folks are multiculturalists. None needs them, but mixed-race folks from melting-pot countries.


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    « Reply #16 on: July 08, 2020, 11:00:01 PM »
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  • Previous post was mine.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    « Reply #17 on: July 08, 2020, 11:04:42 PM »
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  • You are mistaken. In most of the occupied nations of the Third Reich, it was forbidden for a publication to accept nαzι propaganda and call itself Catholic. That was the cause for Titus Brandsma's arrest and also Father Kolbe.
    You cannot be a white nationalist and be a Catholic at the same time you can be one or you can be the other but the two are incompatible. Pope Pius XI clearly said so.  

    Can you be a Zionist and a Catholic?

    Yes or no?

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    « Reply #18 on: July 08, 2020, 11:06:16 PM »
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  • Pope St Pius X said no.
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    « Reply #19 on: July 08, 2020, 11:08:16 PM »
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    How about a French nationalist?

    Can a Catholic also be a French nationalist?


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    « Reply #20 on: July 09, 2020, 12:01:05 AM »
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  • How about a French nationalist?

    Can a Catholic also be a French nationalist?

    He bailed out without answering because he knows the answer to this question must be "yes," if one is the least bit familiar with St. Joan of Arc.

    So then, if a Catholic can be a French nationalist (and, presumably, an Irish nationalist, Polish nationalist, Spanish nationalist, etc.), why can't white American (or Canadian, or Australian) Catholics, most of whom are of multiple European ethnic backgrounds, be pan-European (or, to use the inferior synonym, "White") nationalists? So far as I know, Catholics are under no obligation to accept the "magic dirt" theories of civic nationalism. So why can't European-American Catholics be European-American nationalists?

    I challenge Poochie to answer that without resorting to Mit Brennender Sorge abuse, or Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacies.

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    « Reply #21 on: July 09, 2020, 12:12:43 AM »
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  • Being a nationalist is not bad -- it doesn't mean that other races are inherently bad, or unworthy of the love of Our Lord, it just means that you want to see your race preserved when other people want to destroy it and bring people who don't belong.

    At least a White neighborhood can go 3 days without killing someone.

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    « Reply #22 on: July 09, 2020, 01:12:49 AM »
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  • You can be a patriotic American. However the Catholic Church as a rule has always disapproved of racial segregation.
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    « Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 01:22:08 AM »
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  • You can be a patriotic American. However the Catholic Church as a rule has always disapproved of racial segregation.

    "The Church of Jesus Christ is the repository of His wisdom; she is certainly too wise to discourage or belittle those peculiarities and differences which mark out one nation from another. It is quite legitimate for nations to treat those differences as a sacred inheritance and guard them at all costs. The Church aims at unity, a unity determined and kept alive by that supernatural love which should be actuating everybody; she does not aim at a uniformity which would only be external in its effects and would cramp the natural tendencies of the nations concerned. Every nation has its own genius, its own qualities, springing from the hidden roots of its being. The wise development, the encouragement within limits, of that genius, those qualities, does no harm; and if a nation cares to take precautions, to lay down rules, for that end, it has the Church's approval."

    - Pope Pius XII, Summi Pontificatus, 20 October 1939

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    « Reply #24 on: July 09, 2020, 01:27:11 AM »
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  • the Catholic Church as a rule has always disapproved of racial segregation.

    God Himself established racial segregation, you jackass. The very reason there are diverse races, is that God segregated them from one another, and adjusted their pigmentation, hair, physiognomy, physical build, and mentality to suit those segregated environments.

    Or are you suggesting that the Church "as a rule" disapproves of God's having placed sub-Saharan Africans in Africa, and not in Europe or Asia?

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    « Reply #25 on: July 09, 2020, 02:29:53 AM »
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  • From St Teresa of Avila in her commentary on the Pater Noster;

    Do you not think, daughters, that this is a good Master, since He begins by granting us this great favour so as to make us love to learn what He teaches us? Do you think it would be right for us, while we are repeating this prayer with our lips, to stop trying to think of what we are saying, lest picturing such love should tear our hearts to pieces? No one who realized His greatness could possibly say it would be. What son is there in the world who would not try to learn who his father was if he had one as good, and of as great majesty and dominion, as ours? Were God not all this, it would not surprise me if we had no desire to be known as His children; for the world is such that, if the father is of lower rank than his son, the son feels no honour in recognizing him as his father. This does not apply here: God forbid that such a thing should ever happen in this house -- it would turn the place into hell. Let the sister who is of the highest birth speak of her father least; we must all be equals.
    O College of Christ, in which the Lord was pleased that Saint Peter, who was a fisherman, should have more authority than Saint Bartholomew, who was the son of a king! His Majesty knew what a fuss would be made in the world about who was fashioned from the finer clay -- which is like discussing whether clay is better for bricks or for walls. Dear Lord, what a trouble we make about it! God deliver you, sisters, from such contentions, even if they be carried on only in jest; I hope that His Majesty will indeed deliver you. If anything like this should be going on among you, apply the remedy immediately, and let the sister concerned fear lest she be a Judas among the Apostles. Do what you can to get rid of such a bad companion. If you cannot, give her penances heavier than for anything else until she realizes that she has not deserved to be even the basest clay. You have a good Father, given you by the good Jesus: let no other father be known or referred to here. Strive, my daughters, to be such that you deserve to find comfort in Him and to throw yourselves into His arms. You know that, if you are good children, He will never send you away. And who would not do anything rather than lose such a Father?

    http://catholicfirst.com/thefaith/catholicclassics/stteresa/way/wayofperfection06.html#CHAPTER%2027
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    « Reply #26 on: July 09, 2020, 08:29:57 AM »
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    Again, you should just quit the forum. Your refusal to debate honestly exposes you as a fraud. Let someone with more talent take your place here.

    The quotation from Pope Pius XII directly gives approval to nationalism, and is directly pertinent to the discussion. Your quotation from St. Teresa has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and you use it to further your cover of false piety.

    We see through you. A shill of higher caliber is called for now. You have to at least have a pretense of intellectual honesty. Non-sequitur quotations don't cut it.

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    « Reply #27 on: July 09, 2020, 09:00:18 AM »
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  • You can be a patriotic American. However the Catholic Church as a rule has always disapproved of racial segregation.

    By grudgingly admitting a Catholic can be "a patriotic American," Poochie gives his blessing to a "nationalism" that is limited to reciting the Pledge of Allegiance once in a while, and grilling pig's feet bathed in butter on the 4th of July. 

    If a Catholic can be a patriotic American now, presumably he could have also been one after the passage of the 1790 Immigration and Naturalization Act which limited citizenship to "free white persons," effectively making America a Pan-European ethnostate for almost a century. And since no Catholic authority condemned the American ethnostate, and since any rational adult can see what a society-destroying disaster it has been to chip away at the pan-European character and populace of America, turning us into a vast plantation of cultureless, deracinated, atomized, incohesive consumer units - a (((melting pot))) which is really a crucible, bubbling and boiling humanity into the drab, generic goy chattel our (((masters))) always wanted us to be - then it stands to reason that a Catholic can (I would say should) reject the idiotic notion that a piece of paper, or "magic dirt" can make men of different races into members of the same nation, and can advocate for men of his own nation - his blood, his kinsmen, his extended family. 

    Or does Poochie suggest I can waltz on down to the Reservation, set up camp, and expect to be accepted as a member of the Cherokee Nation, despite not having a drop of their blood in my veins?

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    « Reply #28 on: July 09, 2020, 03:10:51 PM »
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  • Pius XI clearly said that race, people, state etc. do have an essential and honorable place within the earthly order.

    We won't need German, anti-Jєωιѕн, anti-Polish, and anti-French nationalists in heaven, but here on earth they do have an essential and honorable place. That's what Pius XI unequivocally said!


    These "white nationalist" Stormfront-folks are multiculturalists. None needs them, but mixed-race folks from melting-pot countries.


    Thank you for explaining to Poche what his favorite passage from Mit Brennender Sorge actually says. He pins a good deal of his hopes for the success of his rhetoric on poor reading comprehension in other posters. That may work in a place like CAF, but it doesn't cut it around here. I hope he retires soon so that his position can be filled by a more competent shill.

    As to your claim that "White Nationalism" is a form of multiculturalism, well, yes and no. It is true, as E Michael Jones is wont to frequently point out, that "White People" is a novel ethnic category, with none of the historical and traditional legitimacy of ethnic identities like French, German, Polish, Italian, etc. But, EMJ fails to take into account what you do in your last sentence: in "melting pot" (a phrase that comes from a Jєωιѕн play, by the way) countries, the particular national ethnic identity of one's ancestors fades with each passing generation. How many third generation Italian Americans or Polish Americans make every day, fluent use of their ancestral tongues? None that I've ever met - They're all English speaking Americans who have, at best, a passing familiarity with the language of the old country. 

    EMJ has repeatedly asserted that, after three generations in America (and presumably, places like Canada and Australia), the ethnic identity disappears completely and is replaced by the religious identity. This is a completely gratuitous assertion that I've never seen him give any reasonable explanation for. We're not Jєωs. We're Catholics. Our religious identity may be intimately tied into our ethnic identities (the more intimately tied they are, the better and healthier the nation), but they are still distinct categories. The ethnic identity does not just "disappear," nor does a different category step in to pick up the slack after three generations.

    So where does that put European Americans? Many of us - probably most of us - are made up of two or more distinct ethnic stocks of European ancestry. My own children, for example, boast Irish, Maltese, Italian, Greek, English, Scottish, Welsh and French ancestry. How does one express that myriad background as an identity? At what point do they just become "Americans?" And what does it mean to be an American? Our Khazar overlords would have us believe that the magic dirt of America makes a Bangladeshi, a Korean, a Bantu, etc. members of the same "nation" as my children, despite common sense recoiling from such a ridiculous assertion. 



    I posit that, in limiting the granting of American citizenship to "white persons" in the 1790 Immigration and Naturalization Act, the Founding Fathers displayed a cognizance of the fundamental need to establish in the new country the Aristotelean brotherly love - philia - vital to its unity as a nation, and did so by restricting the pool for potential Americans to "white persons" - Europeans. 

    In my opinion, this was a very wise decision. The proof of that pudding is in the tasting. Sub-Saharan Africans have been in this country for four hundred years, yet are far less assimilated and integrated into the fabric of American society than European groups (Italians, let's say) who have been here only 1/4 of that time. Why? Again, it's common sense (which is now beaten out of us for being "racist" - but our grandparents understood it): Europeans - "white people" - look more or less alike, think more or less alike, have more or less compatible temperaments, and, being sons and daughters of Christendom, have the same overall cultural grounding and outlook. In establishing America as a Pan-European nation, the Founders cast the net as widely as possible to a group that allowed for as much diversity as possible while still having enough overall commonality to make a nation work.

    But including starkly different groups - Africans, Asians, even "Native Americans" - does not work (the "Native" tribes certainly know this, thus why they retain their own national identities, distinct from the American one, despite being "Native" "Americans"). "White guilt" (a diabolical ape of Catholic guilt) has been a crippling, silencing albatross around our necks for too long. We will either unite as sons and daughters of Christendom (the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan's greatest fear), or else we will continue into the morass of deracination, atomization, and miscegenation until we are no more.

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    « Reply #29 on: July 10, 2020, 10:41:09 PM »
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  • By grudgingly admitting a Catholic can be "a patriotic American," Poochie gives his blessing to a "nationalism" that is limited to reciting the Pledge of Allegiance once in a while, and grilling pig's feet bathed in butter on the 4th of July.

    If a Catholic can be a patriotic American now, presumably he could have also been one after the passage of the 1790 Immigration and Naturalization Act which limited citizenship to "free white persons," effectively making America a Pan-European ethnostate for almost a century. And since no Catholic authority condemned the American ethnostate, and since any rational adult can see what a society-destroying disaster it has been to chip away at the pan-European character and populace of America, turning us into a vast plantation of cultureless, deracinated, atomized, incohesive consumer units - a (((melting pot))) which is really a crucible, bubbling and boiling humanity into the drab, generic goy chattel our (((masters))) always wanted us to be - then it stands to reason that a Catholic can (I would say should) reject the idiotic notion that a piece of paper, or "magic dirt" can make men of different races into members of the same nation, and can advocate for men of his own nation - his blood, his kinsmen, his extended family.

    Or does Poochie suggest I can waltz on down to the Reservation, set up camp, and expect to be accepted as a member of the Cherokee Nation, despite not having a drop of their blood in my veins?
    What you should do is accept the fact that the Cherokee people have more right to this land than you do.