Author Topic: St John vianney & Theresa Avila (Read 2001 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 20, 2018, 01:58:14 PM »

St John vianney and theresa avila, both witnessed people falling into hell "like snowflakes"

I'm just wondering what people were doing in that era that was so bad.

I mean, they had no photographic/video pornography

Sex before marriage was scandalous & living together before marriage - no contraceptives.

Abortion was rare. Nowhere was open on a sunday. The clothes were more modest.

No television/internet.

I mean, what were the majority of people doing to send them to hell????

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2018, 02:34:26 PM »

They were doing the same things we do today. Scarcely anyone is saved.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2018, 02:37:52 PM »

After all my years of study on the subject of salvation, I have concluded that not one person of good will is lost. If we truly seek God, He will provide us with EVERYTHING for our salvation. When we die, we will learn the truth, that maybe we leaned 1/1000 of 1% toward God and he did the rest. The problem is that few people are of good will. Scarcely anyone is saved

"Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circuмstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it." [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]

In other words before a man is conceived, God in his infinite knowledge has already put that person through the test with millions of possible combinations and possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance (of millions of possible combinations!!!) and God will be free in determining which future history and final destiny He assigns each soul.

THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.

1) Notwithstanding assurances that God did not create any man for Hell, and that He wishes all men to be saved, it remains equally true that few will be saved; that only few will go to Heaven; and that the greater part of mankind will be lost forever. (St. John Neuman)

2) It is certain that few are saved. (St. Augustine)

3) The majority of men shall not see God. (St. Julian the Martyr)

4) Those who are saved are in the minority. ( St. Thomas Aquinas)

5) The greater part of men choose to be damned rather than to love almighty God. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

6) So vast a number of miserable souls perish, and so comparatively few are saved. (St. Philip Neri)

7) Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

8) Death bed conversions/repentance-there are hardly any: Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely ONE will be saved. (St. Jerome)

9) The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:

a) The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few - not as many as ten - went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)

b) There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

c) The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual.

( Pope St. Gregory the Great)

d) Shall we all be saved? Shall we go to heaven? Alas, my children we do not know at all! But I tremble when I see so many souls lost these days. See, they fall into Hell as leaves fall from the trees at the approach of winter. (St. John Vianney)

10) MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:

St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)

b) Many religious go to Hell because they do not keep their vows. (St. Vincent Ferrer)

CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

14) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it's thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of life.)

15) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.)

16) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

17) Yes indeed, many will be damned; few will be saved. (St. Benedict Joseph Labro)

18) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)

19) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

20) THOSE WHO HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE FAITH CAN ALSO GO TO HELL:

a) When such unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without the faith, but not because of their sin of unbelief. (St. Thomas Aquinas)

b) Everyone that is of truth hears my voice. (St. John 18:37)

c) It may be true that there are, in the remotest parts of the world, some people who have not yet seen the light of the Savior. Certainly, God's manifold and ineffable goodness has always provided, and still provides, for all mankind in such a way that not one of the reprobates can find an excuse as though he had been refused the light of truth. ( St. Prosper of Aquitaine)

d) No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)

21) OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THERE IS NO SALVATION:

a) No matter how praiseworthy his actions might seem, he who is separated from the Catholic Church will never enjoy eternal life (Pope Gregory XVI)

b) O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jєωs who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2018, 02:50:14 PM »

Feel utter hopeless. :-[ :-[ :o :o :o :o :o
I mean, with all my sins growing up in novus odor (everyone goes to heaven) attitude.

I don't even know where to begin..........................

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2018, 02:55:29 PM »

If almost no-one is saved, and the ones who are are probably sin free.

Whats the point in confession ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I mena, Does it even work

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:01:37 PM »

....Among all the mysteries that we live amongst, is that of the fact that God saves those whom He wills. And yet those who are lost are lost because they will. No one is saved against his will and no one is damned against his will. At the same time, Almighty God has known from all eternity who would be His, whom He would succeed in saving. And all the jubilation that the Church expresses in its many Masses and in its Office, is over the fact that those whom God regards as His elect will be saved.... - Fr. Wathen

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:04:02 PM »

To be fair, when the shepherd children at fatima asked about a couple of people who died if they were in heaven, they were both saved. I mean, one was in purgatory. But they were saved. so it can't be so rare to be saved? just a thought.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:05:18 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 20, 2018, 03:04:02 PM

To be fair, when the shepherd children at fatima asked about a couple of people who died if they were in heaven, they were both saved. I mean, one was in purgatory. But they were saved. so it can't be so rare to be saved? just a thought.

Yet when the children were shown a vision of hell, they saw souls falling into hell like snow flakes in a blizzard.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:08:09 PM »

This is one of the best examples of what the reality of the situation is that I've seen. Look around yourself today, this is what so many people are actually doing.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:18:03 PM »

When the children of fatima saw hell it was during WW1 half the world were trying to muder each other

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:35:04 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 20, 2018, 01:58:14 PM

St John vianney and theresa avila, both witnessed people falling into hell "like snowflakes"

I'm just wondering what people were doing in that era that was so bad.

I mean, they had no photographic/video pornography

Sex before marriage was scandalous & living together before marriage - no contraceptives.

Abortion was rare. Nowhere was open on a sunday. The clothes were more modest.

No television/internet.

I mean, what were the majority of people doing to send them to hell????

Sex before marriage was scandalous when they got caught but it was still going on.
Taverns were open and selling went on on Sundays, this was one of the things St. Vianney tried to change (remember no refrigeration then so markets were open for business)
As for clothing, most people only had one or two outifits and as they were hard working rural people weren't too careful about modesty. Many probably didn't even have enough to cover themselves. St. Vianney was always giving away clothing . Also the dancing St Jean said was scandalous.
No TV internet etc.....they still found ways to sin.

Miseremini · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2018, 03:36:11 PM »

Forgot to check that box !

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2018, 04:22:16 PM »

Catholics who play games with God will be lost. All of you with annulments, using NFP to avoid children, women dressing provocatively, those carrying a grudge with their family members, those detracting against others.

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CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 20, 2018, 04:23:55 PM »

Sorry about that, I don't know why the fonts came out so large, but Anonymous postings can't be corrected.

Nadir · « **Reply #14 on:** June 20, 2018, 04:39:58 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 20, 2018, 01:58:14 PM

St John vianney and theresa avila, both witnessed people falling into hell "like snowflakes"

I'm just wondering what people were doing in that era that was so bad.

I mean, they had no photographic/video pornography

Sex before marriage was scandalous & living together before marriage - no contraceptives.

Abortion was rare. Nowhere was open on a sunday. The clothes were more modest.

No television/internet.

I mean, what were the majority of people doing to send them to hell????

You need to study history. Sin is not a modern phenomenon.
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Remember Adam and Eve - they lived way back in the beginning.
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Ecclesiastes 1 [9] What is it that hath been? the same thing that shall be. What is it that hath been done? the same that shall be done. [10] Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: Behold this is new: for it hath already gone before in the ages that were before us..

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