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Protestant and healing?
« on: September 20, 2020, 08:23:12 AM »
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    • My friends friends daughter was 3 years old and on the brink of death, she was sent home to die basically, but her parents took her to an Andrew wommack healing service and she was completely healed there, that day. she even had a blood clotting problem and that was also healed too.

    I looked into Andrew wommack (a protestant preacher) and there are thousands of healings attributed to him, I know its legit. He has a teaching that said you need to prayer with faith you are already healed. I thought it wasn't catholic but I remember st Bernadette at Lourdes said to get healing the key ingredient in the water is faith.

    Anyhoo, I'm just wondering why God gives protestants a healing 'anointing' ? 
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #1 on: September 20, 2020, 12:02:59 PM »
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    • Protestants do not have faith.

    God CAN work miracles through anyone but it’s very unlikely that He would use a Protestant and thereby lend credibility to his errors.

    If such phenomena happened and were not fraudulent, it’s always possible that the devil can work what appear to be miracles using natural means.  Their knowledge of science and medicine far exceed anything we could even come close to.

    This kind of stuff is best ignored.
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #2 on: September 20, 2020, 12:05:13 PM »
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    • We do not form our faith by miracles, but, rather, judge miracles against our faith.  That has always been the Church’s attitude toward private revelation, investigating the theological content of purported messages.
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2020, 02:17:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 20, 2020, 08:23:12 AM
    My friends friends daughter was 3 years old and on the brink of death, she was sent home to die basically, but her parents took her to an Andrew wommack healing service and she was completely healed there, that day. she even had a blood clotting problem and that was also healed too.

    I looked into Andrew wommack (a protestant preacher) and there are thousands of healings attributed to him, I know its legit. He has a teaching that said you need to prayer with faith you are already healed. I thought it wasn't catholic but I remember st Bernadette at Lourdes said to get healing the key ingredient in the water is faith.

    Anyhoo, I'm just wondering why God gives protestants a healing 'anointing' ?
    To be brief and correspondingly blunt; we call him a worker of iniquity, he is not Catholic therefore does not know God, as such his healings cannot come from heaven. All who are healed through him had best be prepared to at some point pay a high price for the use of his services.  

    "Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity". Matthew 7:22,23


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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2020, 05:55:51 AM »
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    • The Holy Spirit goes where it wills, not where we tell it. 
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2020, 07:18:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 21, 2020, 05:55:51 AM
    The Holy Spirit goes where it wills, not where we tell it.
    If you believe this, that the Holy Ghost works through, therefore endorses a prot preacher, then FYI, in charity, you do not know God at all. Another FYI, if you do not know Him, He does not know you.
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2020, 10:36:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 21, 2020, 07:18:50 AM
    If you believe this, that the Holy Ghost works through, therefore endorses a prot preacher, then FYI, in charity, you do not know God at all. Another FYI, if you do not know Him, He does not know you.
    Leaving aside that Poche is super annoying, and even leaving aside the EENS debate, by what standard do you have the right to decide that *other Catholics* "don't know God" because they disagree on what Catholic dogma would mean for things like healings by protestants?

    I personally do agree that its unlikely that God would choose to heal through a Protestant "pastor", but I don't know that I can have absolute certainty of this.  I agree with Ladislaus that the Devil is more likely.
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2020, 10:48:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 21, 2020, 10:36:24 AM
    Leaving aside that Poche is super annoying, and even leaving aside the EENS debate, by what standard do you have the right to decide that *other Catholics* "don't know God" because they disagree on what Catholic dogma would mean for things like healings by protestants?

    I personally do agree that its unlikely that God would choose to heal through a Protestant "pastor", but I don't know that I can have absolute certainty of this.  I agree with Ladislaus that the Devil is more likely.
    Forgot about this silly anonymous setting thing.  This was me.
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2020, 10:59:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 21, 2020, 10:36:24 AM
    Leaving aside that Poche is super annoying, and even leaving aside the EENS debate, by what standard do you have the right to decide that *other Catholics* "don't know God" because they disagree on what Catholic dogma would mean for things like healings by protestants?

    I personally do agree that its unlikely that God would choose to heal through a Protestant "pastor", but I don't know that I can have absolute certainty of this.  I agree with Ladislaus that the Devil is more likely.
    The standard is that God does not give the power of miracles to prots. See the scripture I posted, God says He does not know the prot preacher, passes judgement upon him, then says he is a worker of iniquity - in that order. So, as I said, IF HE BELIEVES the Holy Ghost works miracles through a prot preacher, or for that matter through anyone outside of His Kingdom on earth, then he doesn't know God  at  all. 

    We are not able to say with certainty where the miracles come from, but we can say with certainty where they do not come from - God.     

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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2020, 11:35:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 21, 2020, 10:59:14 AM
    The standard is that God does not give the power of miracles to prots. See the scripture I posted, God says He does not know the prot preacher, passes judgement upon him, then says he is a worker of iniquity - in that order. So, as I said, IF HE BELIEVES the Holy Ghost works miracles through a prot preacher, or for that matter through anyone outside of His Kingdom on earth, then he doesn't know God  at  all.  

    We are not able to say with certainty where the miracles come from, but we can say with certainty where they do not come from - God.    
    It is only God who does miracles. Not even the holiest saint has that power on their own. As with any charisms that may be received by any non Catholics that would be comparable to the master feeding his pet dogs with table scraps.  
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2020, 04:45:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 21, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
    It is only God who does miracles. Not even the holiest saint has that power on their own. As with any charisms that may be received by any non Catholics that would be comparable to the master feeding his pet dogs with table scraps.  
    Yours is a problem of faith, you don't know the Catholic faith, that you know the conciliar faith is blatantly evident in your posts.

    What "any charisms" are received by non-Catholics, which are Christ's enemies? Christ offers graces to the enemies so that they would  enter the Church and repent, only then will they have the hope of salvation. He does not grant miracles to His enemies so as to endorse a false religion and help his enemies grow in number against Him. 

    Christ Himself warned that "Whoever is not with me is against me," prots are against Him. Certainly His warning is too severe for you, just as it is for the many who take the wide road, yet that is the ultimatum. Those OP miracles are positively, absolutely and certainly, not from God.      
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    Re: Protestant and healing?
    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2020, 12:01:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 22, 2020, 04:45:31 AM
    Yours is a problem of faith, you don't know the Catholic faith, that you know the conciliar faith is blatantly evident in your posts.

    What "any charisms" are received by non-Catholics, which are Christ's enemies? Christ offers graces to the enemies so that they would  enter the Church and repent, only then will they have the hope of salvation. He does not grant miracles to His enemies so as to endorse a false religion and help his enemies grow in number against Him.  

    Christ Himself warned that "Whoever is not with me is against me," prots are against Him. Certainly His warning is too severe for you, just as it is for the many who take the wide road, yet that is the ultimatum. Those OP miracles are positively, absolutely and certainly, not from God.      
    No miracles can be don without the consent of God Himself. The devil can do nothing without God's consent. Therefore even if the devil were to do a miracle it would still be attributable to God and the glory and thanks would still go to Him rather than to the devil. 
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