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Title: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 12:34:25 PM
This is what we see every Sunday at mass. The first picture is how practically all of the young girls, the second picture is how the more "advanced" young girls dress, and the third picture is how the Latina mothers dress, everything skin tight and ready to burst. No class whatsoever! And we hear not a word from the pulpit, not a word every since the new prior arrived almost 10 years ago. This of course is nothing compared to how they dress the rest of the week. By their deeds you shall know them.

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Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 10, 2019, 01:04:56 PM
Why are you perpetuating immodesty by posting these pictures?  If the immodesty is sinful, then you too are sinning by posting these.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 02:55:44 PM

A picture is worth a 1000 words. There is no other way to show what they look like except to take the actual pictures at the chapel. They are just pictures, not the same as an actual teenager wiggling around in front of you for 2 hours at mass and after. Not the same as a bunch of air head boy crazy amateur hookers setting a bad example for all of the little ones. The pictures are not going to get pregnant like the girls that dress that way.

What is sinful is the way these girls think and live 24/7. if they dress like that to mass. The way they dress is just an outward manifestation that their inner thinking, what they have learned from their parents and the priests that they have received religious instruction since they were children.  They are a physical manifestation of the “success” of the SSPX schools and chapels that they have been going to. By the dress of the young girls, you will know the work that was done by the SSPX  priest on the parents and the children, TOTALLY Novus Ordo. What is sinful is that this has been going on for 10 years and not a word. What is sinful is that the girls dress like that also at  the St. Mary’s Kansas church of 5000, Syracuse, NY school chapel….  and no priest says anything.

The Latino women are new, they came from the Novus Ordo, they are a different story, they need to be taught modesty and class, but don’t hold your breath, for the SSPX teaches NOTHING about modesty in women’s dress or lives.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 04:14:30 PM
If the immodesty is sinful, then you too are sinning by posting these.
If just the pictures offend some of you here, you must be living in another planet. Those young girls dress that way at the SSPX chapel because it is “conservative” compared to what they wear every day and what is out there in the world all over.
LOL. The third picture, the Latina, is a sin against charity.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
Why are you perpetuating immodesty by posting these pictures?  If the immodesty is sinful, then you too are sinning by posting these.
Warning: There was a poster at various Christian forums who posted pictures of cute girls and women and constantly criticized the way they dressed.
Several mods checked the username and discovered that the same person using the same username was posting on various boards seeking a second or third wife because he could not control his lustful urges, believed in polygamy, and wanted to have multiple wives.
He would wait until a young modest woman posted, and then would court her by PM, get her email address, and try to add her to his harem.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Warning: There was a poster at various Christian forums who posted pictures of cute girls and women and constantly criticized the way they dressed.
Several mods checked the username and discovered that the same person using the same username was posting on various boards seeking a second or third wife because he could not control his lustful urges, believed in polygamy, and wanted to have multiple wives.
He would wait until a young modest woman posted, and then would court her by PM, get her email address, and try to add her to his harem.
Good warning for any female or male poster on ALL threads of CathInfo, even in the cooking and health threads.  The important point is that stalkers can find “friends that think like they do” here. This warning should be posted as a thread by itself.
This thread however, is anonymous, so the only one that will be contacted is the poster Ladislaus.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
the first one is almost acceptable, tbh. the second one, maybe and the third one absolutely not.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 10, 2019, 07:56:10 PM
Why is anyone wasting their time at the Sanford church these days? Surely there are different options be it Holy Family in Melbourne, Holy Trinity Seminary in Brooksville or Sacred Heart in Orlando. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SimpleMan on November 10, 2019, 09:00:38 PM
If just the pictures offend some of you here, you must be living in another planet. Those young girls dress that way at the SSPX chapel because it is “conservative” compared to what they wear every day and what is out there in the world all over.
LOL. The third picture, the Latina, is a sin against charity.
When I first saw the post, I thought the pictures were going to be much worse than they actually are.  This is not "hooker fashion".  Actually, from what I have observed when driving past areas of town where they ply their wares (pretty much unavoidable, it's the main drag), some "hookers" do not dress all that provocatively.  Many women at Novus Ordo Masses dress far more provocatively.  I always say that some of those jeans are so tight that if they had a quarter in their back pocket, you could not just read the date on it, but you could also read the mint mark!


Picture 1 (upper left hand) is actually pretty conservative by modern standards.  The only thing wrong with it is that the skirt could be a tad longer and just a bit less form-fitting.  Otherwise, not objectionable.


Picture 2 (upper right hand) is only objectionable due to the form-fitting cut and entirely too short.


As for Picture 3 (lower left hand), that is just more pathetic than immodest.  Beautiful women, and that she is, come in all shapes and sizes, but that dress does not flatter her, she hasn't the physique for it.  Women who dress this way for Mass do not realize that people are snickering behind their backs.



Some cultures value more flamboyant, "fashionable", and attention-getting attire for women.  Some of these women don't really know any other way to dress.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: forlorn on November 11, 2019, 05:05:24 AM
Top one is fine. Ideally it would be better, but I wouldn't consider a girl immodest if that's how she dressed. Second is immodest. The third - the t-shirt is immodest, the skirt would actually be fine if it wasn't so tight on her(and I agree, she looks stupid more than anything, she needs clothes that actually fit first of all).
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 06:03:39 AM
This is what we see every Sunday at mass. The first picture is how practically all of the young girls, the second picture is how the more "advanced" young girls dress, and the third picture is how the Latina mothers dress, everything skin tight and ready to burst. No class whatsoever! And we hear not a word from the pulpit, not a word every since the new prior arrived almost 10 years ago. This of course is nothing compared to how they dress the rest of the week. By their deeds you shall know them.
At my chapel, unless the occasional NOer or a newcomer to the chapel comes in dressed extremely improperly, I would never see it. One of the reasons I never see it is because I sit up front, so if I were to see it at all, it would be when I glance at the communicants during communion when everyone comes up to the altar rail. So that's my first suggestion to you - sit in one of the pews nearest the altar.

I am friends with only a very few parishioners so I have no idea how the others dress or act outside of Church, so I cannot say anything about their dress outside of Church.

If I saw what you see every Sunday at Mass, I would speak to the priest, maybe get others to go to the priest with me.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 07:33:21 AM
A few months ago I was chatting with the priest after Mass. He looked over at a young woman and then asked me to point out her mother to him. I did and he immediately went over to the mother and discussed the length of the skirt the daughter  was wearing. I walked away but did hear him tell the mother that her daughter was not to wear that skirt anymore.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 09:18:06 AM

Do you have any daughters?

I ask because the first skirt is nowhere close to “fine”, it is too short and tight. If you compare it to the world, it is fine, but we are not of the world. The first skirt should be loose and 8 inches below the knee. The important point  is that when they sit, the dress should not show what you see showing in the picture. That would require the 8” of length. Padre Pio would have thrown all three out of the confession line.

It is only a short time before the girls who wear #1 will be wearing #2. That is another reason for the 8”.

Then there is the tight clothes of #3, a girl could be completely covered up to her ankles and still expose everything. The Moslem women in Indonesia go to the beach in bikinis and completely cover themselves from neck to ankles in black translucent stockings.

Those three pictures are only the tip of the iceberg, for the girls that wear those fashions to mass, wear short shorts, tank tops, tight jeans, belly exposed, bikinis, go to nightclubs etc. In other words they are just like any girls of the world, except they go to mass on Sundays.  It is not that they are living Catholic lives just stretching the  standards, no, they are not living Catholic lives at all except going to mass on Sundays.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 09:24:37 AM
Those three pictures are only the tip of the iceberg, for the girls that wear those fashions to mass, wear short shorts, tank tops, tight jeans, belly exposed, bikinis, go to nightclubs etc. In other words they are just like any girls of the world, except they go to mass on Sundays.  It is not that they are living Catholic lives just stretching the  standards, no, they are not living Catholic lives at all except going to mass on Sundays.
Always keep in mind that these girls I am speaking about have been brought up in the SSPX schools  K-12, so they learned to dress that way at the SSPX schools. The priests have taught them that is is OK to dress that way. This is EXACTLY what happened after Vatican II in everything.
 According to Catholic teaching, there are 9 ways of being an accessory to another's sin.
1.    By counsel.
2.    By command.
3.    By consent.
4.    By provocation.
5.    By praise or flattery.
6.    By concealment.
7.    By partaking.
8.    By silence.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
One of the reasons I never see it is because I sit up front, so if I were to see it at all, it would be when I glance at the communicants during communion when everyone comes up to the altar rail. So that's my first suggestion to you - sit in one of the pews nearest the altar. 
This is not about an occasion of sin for me, it is about the bad example it sets for all of the other younger girls in the chapel, it is a mortal sin for those girls who wear those clothes and scandalize the little ones:
“It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones” (Luke 17:2)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
This is not about an occasion of sin for me, it is about the bad example it sets for all of the other younger girls in the chapel, it is a mortal sin for those girls who wear those clothes and scandalize the little ones:
“It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones” (Luke 17:2)
I understand all of that, but you cannot do anything about it, but the priest can.....and should, and might if you spoke with him about it.

Your only other feasible option is to talk to the girls' parents if you know them. If you don't know the parents, then unless you have the right personality you probably shouldn't talk to them about this because if they don't already know better, a stranger telling them anything is not likely to help matters.

Which is the reason why I made the suggestion that you sit in one of the front pews, which is about the only thing you actually could do, albeit strictly for your own benefit. Of course you can keep posting your complaints about your chapel here, I mean heck, they are certainly legitimate, but that doesn't really fix anything at your chapel.




 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
A picture is worth a 1000 words. There is no other way to show what they look like except to take the actual pictures at the chapel.

That's your opinion.  It would be different if you posted ACTUAL pictures of what took place at the chapel.

But, again, if the immodesty is sinful, you are sinning by posting these pictures.  Your need to VENT about that chapel is not sufficient justification for it.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
If just the pictures offend some of you here, you must be living in another planet. Those young girls dress that way at the SSPX chapel because it is “conservative” compared to what they wear every day and what is out there in the world all over.
LOL. The third picture, the Latina, is a sin against charity.

It's not about being offended.  It's about your self-contradicton of principles, sometimes referred to as hypocrisy.

In fact, I'm the opposite of being offended.  As a layman, I consider it little of my business.  If I feel that a priest might be unaware of something, I might bring it to his attention.  Sometimes priests can't see skirt length when the ladies are kneeling in front of a rail.  After I inform the priest, it's the priest's responsibility to do something about it.  If the priest takes no action, then I might raise it with the SSPX District Superior (assuming you go to an SSPX chapel).

You have been ranting and raving about Sanford for a long time now, as if you're completely obsessed.

You could simply state:  "Yep, lots of immodesty at SSPX chapels each day."  People then might chime in an corroborate, "Yes, there is."  But beyond that, what exactly is your point?

Your huffing and puffing about this issues suggests that you are practically obsessed by this ... and that it is YOU, rather than I, who are deeply "offended" in some manner.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Top one is fine. Ideally it would be better, but I wouldn't consider a girl immodest if that's how she dressed. Second is immodest. The third - the t-shirt is immodest, the skirt would actually be fine if it wasn't so tight on her(and I agree, she looks stupid more than anything, she needs clothes that actually fit first of all).

Now, I disagree that the first one is OK.  Skirt length is clearly above the knee, which according to the Church's standards, is in fact objectively immodest.

Now, what LOT of people forget is that immodesty, like any other sins, does admit of degrees of gravity and/or veniality.  So, for instance, having an otherwise-modest sleeveless shirt is simply not the same thing as walking into church wearing a bikini.  Some people seem to think that it is, that everything related to modesty is grave.

So, for instance, the first picture would be venially immodest, while the second begins to approach gravely immodest.  But I don't think you could excuse either of these from immodesty to one degree or another.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 12:35:47 PM
Do you have any daughters?

I ask because the first skirt is nowhere close to “fine”, it is too short and tight. If you compare it to the world, it is fine, but we are not of the world. The first skirt should be loose and 8 inches below the knee. The important point  is that when they sit, the dress should not show what you see showing in the picture. That would require the 8” of length. Padre Pio would have thrown all three out of the confession line.

Well, except that Padre Pio is not the Church.  What we have officially from the Church is that it needs to cover the knee.  We can speculate about Padre Pio's insistence, whether he considered it sinful, or he was leery of the women who (and I have seen this) would be walking around in a skirt above the knees, and then would yank it down a couple inches just in time to be seen by the priest (getting in line for Communion or something) and then it would gradually hike itself back up.  So maybe he was tired of the nonsense women were trying to pull, and was weary of women who were content with the bare minimum.  He also banned women from borrowing an appropriate-length skirt once they got there to the church.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 12:40:49 PM
A few months ago I was chatting with the priest after Mass. He looked over at a young woman and then asked me to point out her mother to him. I did and he immediately went over to the mother and discussed the length of the skirt the daughter  was wearing. I walked away but did hear him tell the mother that her daughter was not to wear that skirt anymore.

Indeed, the priests are in a difficult position.  Ideally, the priest should designate some older women of good reputation to be the modesty enforcers.  If you're a priest and walk up to the mother to make that kind of comment, this could easily be turned into:  "Why, are you checking out my daughter?"  Then the disgruntled mother would start wagging tongues about the priest, destroying his reputation, for checking out her daughter.  So the priest should delegate this duty to older women who could be trusted to carry out these duties appropriately.  He, then, of course, being guardian of the Sacraments, could/should withhold them from those who are in serious violation of standards, but apart from that he should leave it to the old ladies.

I say this because I witnessed this dynamic take place against one particular priest, so the young priests and seminarians need to be instructed at seminary regarding how to go about this.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 01:47:43 PM


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If I feel that a priest might be unaware of something, I might bring it to his attention.  Sometimes priests can't see skirt length when the ladies are kneeling in front of a rail.  After I inform the priest, it's the priest's responsibility to do something about it.  If the priest takes no action, then I might raise it with the SSPX District Superior (assuming you go to an SSPX chapel).


 For 10 years the priests at St Mary’s Kansas and  Syracuse have not noticed this problem?  For 10 years the SSPX has been unaware of this problem? Reminds me of the apologizers for JPII, “he does not know about these local matters, it is his underlings who lie to him”.”


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You have been ranting and raving about Sanford for a long time now, as if you're completely obsessed.

It is not just about Sanford, I have said:

Always keep in mind that these girls I am speaking about have been brought up in the SSPX schools  K-12, so they learned to dress that way at the SSPX schools. The priests have taught them that is is OK to dress that way. This is EXACTLY what happened after Vatican II in everything.

What is sinful is that this has been going on for 10 years and not a word. What is sinful is that the girls dress like that also at  the St. Mary’s Kansas church of 5000, Syracuse, NY school chapel….  and no priest says anything.


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what exactly is your point?


To save souls and keep these girls from becoming unwed mothers:

What is sinful is the way these girls think and live 24/7. If they dress like that to mass, the way they dress is just an outward manifestation of what they have learned from their parents and the priests, the ones from whom they have received religious instruction since they were children.  They are a physical manifestation of the “success” of the SSPX schools and chapels that they have been going to. By the dress of the young girls, you will know the work that was done by the SSPX  priest on the parents and the children, TOTALLY Novus Ordo.

Those three pictures are only the tip of the iceberg, for the girls that wear those fashions to mass, wear short shorts, tank tops, tight jeans, belly exposed, bikinis, go to nightclubs etc. In other words they are just like any girls of the world, except they go to mass on Sundays.  It is not that they are living Catholic lives just stretching the standards, no, they are not living Catholic lives at all except going to mass on Sundays

Always keep in mind that these girls I am speaking about have been brought up in the SSPX schools  K-12, so they learned to dress that way at the SSPX schools. The priests have taught them that is is OK to dress that way. This is EXACTLY what happened after Vatican II in everything.
  According to Catholic teaching, there are 9 ways of being an accessory to another's sin.
 1.    By counsel.
 2.    By command.
 3.    By consent.
 4.    By provocation.
 5.    By praise or flattery.
 6.    By concealment.
 7.    By partaking.
 8.    By silence.


 

This is not about an occasion of sin for me, it is about the bad example it sets for all of the other younger girls in the chapel, it is a mortal sin for those girls who wear those clothes and scandalize the little ones:
 “It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones” (Luke 17:2)

Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2019, 01:52:41 PM

All of my responses above come from quotes I had already made on this thread, nothing added. (OP)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Nishant Xavier on November 11, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
(https://www.salvemariaregina.info/Images/OurLadyofFatima4.jpg)

It's a tragedy that society at large has accepted immodest styles of dressing. To recover a culture of modesty and purity, the best solution is to look to Our Blessed Mother, Who is always holily and modestly dressed in all Her apparitions. Thankfully, there are many Traditional Catholic women who still dress modestly. When a culture of immodesty is prevalent in some chapels, the best thing for concerned chapelgoers to do is to respectfully and urgently speak to the Priest about it. Our Lady of Fatima warned of immodest fashions.

From: https://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html (https://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html) "Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."

The stern condemnation of modern fashions by Christ's Vicar shows that the prophecy of Our Lady of Fatima, "Certain fashions will be introduced", had already been fulfilled in the Marian Year of 1954. Especially since, a little over one month later, on August 21, the Pope startled the world by his reference to the modern fashions as "a most serious plague"; and directed the Bishops throughout the world to "take action against this most serious plague of immodest fashions".
To emphasize still more the seriousness of "certain fashions", Pope Pius XII asked the Sacred Congregation of the Council to make a forceful appeal to all Catholics, but especially those in authority, to "leave no stone unturned which can help remedy the situation." Thus, he repeated the action of his predecessor, Pius XI, who had asked this same Sacred Congregation to send out the "Special Instructions" in 1930 directing that the Roman Standards of modesty in dress (Marylike Standards) be followed."

See also: http://www.catholictradition.org/Children/immodest-dress.htm (http://www.catholictradition.org/Children/immodest-dress.htm)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 04:55:20 PM
This is not about an occasion of sin for me, it is about the bad example it sets for all of the other younger girls in the chapel, it is a mortal sin for those girls who wear those clothes and scandalize the little ones:
 “It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones” (Luke 17:2)


Well, I don't disagree, in general.  #1, IMO, would be closer to venial in general, but it's certainly compounded by the fact that it was at Mass.

Is this a systematic problem with the SSPX?  Another sign that the SSPX is becoming more modernist?

This could have been handled with a, "At the Sanford SSPX chapel, no attempt is being made to enforce standards of modesty."  I just don't think that the excessive huffing and puffing accomplishes anything.  Nor does posting pictures of samples.  Even if you were to post actual pictures, it's one thing that it's happening and QUITE ANOTHER if the priests are condoning it.

Perhaps it's a misguided prudential judgment about not wanting to harden their hearts and drive them away.  Maybe it's cowardice.  Perhaps it's that the priests aren't fully aware of the extent of it.

Have you even tried to go to the priest and said, "Father, there are women and young ladies here whose skirts are well above the knee.  Can't you do anything about it?"  I would be more interested in Father's response than in the mere fact that women are showing up there in short skirts.  His response could speak volumes about the state of the SSPX.  Would he say, "you're a bit of a prude" (ala the Theology of the Body crowd) or else "You're right, I need to try harder to enforce the standards." or "You're right, but I don't want to drive them away."  I know one priest who simply responded with, "Well, that's just what the young people are all doing these days."  (Yes, this was a Traditional priest).  This seemed to come from a combination of laziness and a fear of confrontation.  So I'd be more interested in the Father's response.

THEN, if the response is not acceptable, I would put the US District Superior on the spot, "Father N. said ....  Is this the official position of the Society?"  That I would be even MORE interested int.

Why don't you track it down this way rather than just venting anonymously here on CI?

Then I'd tell Father, "Father, if some young man came up and told you that he couldn't go to Communion because he was tempted to a sinful thought during Mass by one of these, what would you say or what would you do?" Would he say, "well, that young man needs to become more pure and toughen up"?  To which, I would respond, "Well, that's not the Church's teaching on this subject, that this is merely a scandal of the weak.  Shouldn't a young man who assists at Mass have the right not to be distracted, much less tempted, by immodest dress?"
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 04:57:21 PM
the best thing for concerned chapelgoers to do is to respectfully and urgently speak to the Priest about it. 

Agreed.  Then if the priest does not respond (in word and deed) appropriately, then you should escalate the matter to his superior (in this case the US District Superior).  Then if the Superior doesn't respond as a Catholic should, then I would certainly out them publicly and shame them.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2019, 05:05:45 PM
A few months ago I was chatting with the priest after Mass. He looked over at a young woman and then asked me to point out her mother to him. I did and he immediately went over to the mother and discussed the length of the skirt the daughter  was wearing. I walked away but did hear him tell the mother that her daughter was not to wear that skirt anymore.

If this is the same priest, then he's doing SOMEthing.  But what's the next step if the girl shows up again dressed like that?  I could see the girl wearing a similarly immodest dress, but not the same one, and respond, well you didn't tell me not to wear THIS dress.

I knew a priest who regularly preached against immodest dress.  For a week or two, things would get better, but then after a little while it would slide again.  First you had one woman test the waters with a slightly short skirt.  When she got away with it, then a few others came the following week.  And within about a month they were back to veritable mini-skirts.  Then the priest would preach about it again.  And this cycle continued for years.  At some point there needs to be SOME kind of actual enforcement.

On an amusing note, I guess, the primary woman who was always the trailblazer in pushing the limits, the one who tested the waters, got poison ivy all up and down her legs shortly after one of these displays of testing the water and had to wear an ankle-length dress for a few weeks to hide the disfigurement caused by the ivy.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 12, 2019, 06:01:33 AM
If this is the same priest, then he's doing SOMEthing.  But what's the next step if the girl shows up again dressed like that?  I could see the girl wearing a similarly immodest dress, but not the same one, and respond, well you didn't tell me not to wear THIS dress.

I knew a priest who regularly preached against immodest dress.  For a week or two, things would get better, but then after a little while it would slide again.  First you had one woman test the waters with a slightly short skirt.  When she got away with it, then a few others came the following week.  And within about a month they were back to veritable mini-skirts.  Then the priest would preach about it again.  And this cycle continued for years.  At some point there needs to be SOME kind of actual enforcement.

On an amusing note, I guess, the primary woman who was always the trailblazer in pushing the limits, the one who tested the waters, got poison ivy all up and down her legs shortly after one of these displays of testing the water and had to wear an ankle-length dress for a few weeks to hide the disfigurement caused by the ivy.
That priest described is doing his job, that is what a priest is supposed to do. Yes, he has to do it over and over and over, it is a daily battle, but no hardship. THAT is what this thread is for. That priest is an example of what ALL SSPX priest should have been doing for the last 10 years. They did it before that. 
By the way, hardship is not being scared of the response from mothers or the teenager, hardship is a priests is risking getting shot by a firing for dressing like a priest in the streets and offering clandestine basement masses. Hardship is having their fingers eaten by squaws or being skinned alive. Any priest that is afraid of backlash is no man.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 12, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
Well, I don't disagree, in general.  #1, IMO, would be closer to venial in general, but it's certainly compounded by the fact that it was at Mass.

Is this a systematic problem with the SSPX?  Another sign that the SSPX is becoming more modernist?

This could have been handled with a, "At the Sanford SSPX chapel, no attempt is being made to enforce standards of modesty."  I just don't think that the excessive huffing and puffing accomplishes anything.  Nor does posting pictures of samples.  Even if you were to post actual pictures, it's one thing that it's happening and QUITE ANOTHER if the priests are condoning it.

Perhaps it's a misguided prudential judgment about not wanting to harden their hearts and drive them away.  Maybe it's cowardice.  Perhaps it's that the priests aren't fully aware of the extent of it.

Have you even tried to go to the priest and said, "Father, there are women and young ladies here whose skirts are well above the knee.  Can't you do anything about it?"  I would be more interested in Father's response than in the mere fact that women are showing up there in short skirts.  His response could speak volumes about the state of the SSPX.  Would he say, "you're a bit of a prude" (ala the Theology of the Body crowd) or else "You're right, I need to try harder to enforce the standards." or "You're right, but I don't want to drive them away."  I know one priest who simply responded with, "Well, that's just what the young people are all doing these days."  (Yes, this was a Traditional priest).  This seemed to come from a combination of laziness and a fear of confrontation.  So I'd be more interested in the Father's response.

THEN, if the response is not acceptable, I would put the US District Superior on the spot, "Father N. said ....  Is this the official position of the Society?"  That I would be even MORE interested int.

Why don't you track it down this way rather than just venting anonymously here on CI?

Then I'd tell Father, "Father, if some young man came up and told you that he couldn't go to Communion because he was tempted to a sinful thought during Mass by one of these, what would you say or what would you do?" Would he say, "well, that young man needs to become more pure and toughen up"?  To which, I would respond, "Well, that's not the Church's teaching on this subject, that this is merely a scandal of the weak.  Shouldn't a young man who assists at Mass have the right not to be distracted, much less tempted, by immodest dress?"
Thank you for your opinion, but you do not comprehend the motive or the extend of the problem. The extent - I am not writing here to "vent" about my chapel. I am writing here to expose a problem that has not be addressed at all by the SSPX in the USA and Europe, the two places that I have knowledge of. It is a problem that rose up like 10 years ago and now is common all over the USA and Europe. My area of direct exposer is the USA and specifically the St. Mary's Kansas Church and town where I believe they have 5000 parishioners. The same goes for the school in Syracuse, New York. Sanford Florida also has a school but it is insignificant. What all three have in common is that not a word is being said about the way the young girls and Latina women dress. The Motive, I am here to expose this situation to the SSPX priests worldwide, including Bishop Fellay. This is not about talking to a priest is Sanford. 
Those young girls just need to be taught how to live the Catholic faith or else there will be no future generations of traditionalist for the SSPX. The clothes they wear to mass is just the tip of the iceberg, the most "modest" clothes they wear all week! The rest of the week they wear the same clothes and do the same things as any worldly girls. The only difference is that they go to mass on Sundays. THAT is exactly what happened in the 1960's, I've been there and done that. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 12, 2019, 06:50:52 AM

The big problem with these “Trad on Sunday for two hours” girls is pregnancy and the consequent abortion, single motherhood, or shotgun weddings. Trad girls are naïve compared to the girls of public schools. They are easy targets.  Do not for one moment assume that the man on the other side of the sin will be a traditionalist or a young boy.


Trad girls have been taught that the use of contraceptives is a mortal sin, so they do not (at least initially) use contraceptives  and they will inevitable end up pregnant.  It is easy to hide the initial kissing, then the next step and the next till the act is finalized.  The bottom line is that the immodest  Sunday clothes are just revealing a problem in the way they live and the priests need to open their eyes to the fact that they have not been doing their job when it comes to the youths. 
 

Keep in mind that the priests also see how the girls dress during the week when they go to the houses or go about town.


Parents  and Priests – if your daughters dress provocatively, it is a bad sign, and the result will be pregnancy. This is not just about  fashion and a few more inches of cloth on a skirt.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
Once two priests were walking by a creek which had risen because of hard rain the day before. They saw a young woman trying to cross. Normally the creek was so low that a child could easily wade it but now it was difficult and she would have had to walk a mile out of her way to stay on land. She lifted her skirt to keep it out of the muddy water and  took off her shoes. One priest carried her across and the other carried her packages. When they had deposited her at her door they continued on their way in silence. The priest who had carried the packages said at length, "How could you stand carrying that trashy woman? Her legs were showing the whole time." The older priest who had carried the young woman sighed and said, "Brother, I baptized that little gal and hear her confession once a week. Besides I put her down at her father's door  half a mile back. Why are you still carrying her in your mind?"

That's what this rant reminds me of. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
That's what this rant reminds me of.
I do not think that you have spent the time to read the thread through, or else you would realize that this thread is not just about a few inches on a skirt. Others have made the same mistake. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2019, 01:49:00 PM
The girls dress this way because their fathers take pride in the sɛҳuąƖ attractiveness of their own daughters.

I'm reminded of a young man who posted on CathInfo many years ago saying he wanted to marry a girl who looked like Britney Spears but had the heart of Mother Theresa.  He claimed to be a traditional Catholic.  Go figure.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 13, 2019, 02:06:23 PM
The big problem with these “Trad on Sunday for two hours” girls is pregnancy and the consequent abortion, single motherhood, or shotgun weddings.
You should talk to the priest, lay your problems before him and demand he say something and establish strict enforcement of a proper dress code for both males and females both inside and outside of church, stressing to him that he needs to speak especially to the females more then anyone else. He must be specific, just telling them to dress proper is insufficient, he must go into enough detail that they understand what proper dress is. Then demand that he place the usher guards at the doors of the church so that they let no one in who does not conform!  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SimpleMan on November 13, 2019, 02:38:51 PM
If this is the same priest, then he's doing SOMEthing.  But what's the next step if the girl shows up again dressed like that?  I could see the girl wearing a similarly immodest dress, but not the same one, and respond, well you didn't tell me not to wear THIS dress.

I knew a priest who regularly preached against immodest dress.  For a week or two, things would get better, but then after a little while it would slide again.  First you had one woman test the waters with a slightly short skirt.  When she got away with it, then a few others came the following week.  And within about a month they were back to veritable mini-skirts.  Then the priest would preach about it again.  And this cycle continued for years.  At some point there needs to be SOME kind of actual enforcement.

On an amusing note, I guess, the primary woman who was always the trailblazer in pushing the limits, the one who tested the waters, got poison ivy all up and down her legs shortly after one of these displays of testing the water and had to wear an ankle-length dress for a few weeks to hide the disfigurement caused by the ivy.
I have noticed, and perhaps it's just me, that when it comes to questions of modesty in dress, it is as though the girls and women almost want to be disciplined about it, that is, first wear the immodest dress, then be told they shouldn't wear that.  I find this way of thinking bizarre, but that's how it seems to be.  I can't quite get my head around knowing it is wrong, neglecting to do what they know is right, having their hand called on it, then complying (at least for a while).  Do the women like getting the attention of the priest?  Do they like having their mode of dress called attention to?  I have to wonder.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SimpleMan on November 13, 2019, 02:47:19 PM
The girls dress this way because their fathers take pride in the sɛҳuąƖ attractiveness of their own daughters.

I'm reminded of a young man who posted on CathInfo many years ago saying he wanted to marry a girl who looked like Britney Spears but had the heart of Mother Theresa.  He claimed to be a traditional Catholic.  Go figure.
Fathers who take pride in the sɛҳuąƖ attractiveness of their daughters border on being pimps --- or worse.
Speaking as a normally orientated male, I can say that there is nothing wrong with looking like Britney Spears --- she's a beautiful woman.  A more appropriate desire would be to have a wife who looks like Britney Spears, dresses like Loretta Young, and has the heart of Mother Teresa.
For that matter, looking like Loretta Young, not just dressing like her, wouldn't be a bad thing at all.  Her heart wasn't bad either, faithful Catholic and left this life that way.  (Your trivia bit for today --- she was Luxembourgeoise-American, perhaps the most famous one.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of any others.)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Pax Vobis on November 14, 2019, 09:39:23 AM

PAPAL DECREE CONCERNING MODESTY
HIS HOLINESS POPE PIUS XI

12 January 1930
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9. Women and girls who wear immodest clothes are to be prohibited from Holy Communion and from the office of sponsor in the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation, and in certain cases, they are to be prohibited even from entry into the church.








Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
Members of this forum who approve of the attire in the first picture, especially in close quarters to the Holy Sanctuary, is proof that many "trads" have been conditioned to accept modernism, the occassion of sin, and feminism.

It's lukewarm scuм like you who are extremely dangerous to the Church and society. Your day of reckoning is coming - Apocalypse of John 3:16
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 06:31:08 PM
The prior pictured with a lady dressed as the original poster described; https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/38160595_1866071290153618_7337076340945846272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnTihzQnbT6uq7u8M2GFbKsjK8bDDyl7cmC-Fpu4TA5xZ7-lbSKUuqMWmZCFhXHCkYSk7Dhb9KS2cNbxljd8iaj&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=a15f5c34d6feba971e319b7e0624c81d&oe=5E57C343
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
The girls dress this way because their fathers take pride in the sɛҳuąƖ attractiveness of their own daughters.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
Members of this forum who approve of the attire in the first picture, especially in close quarters to the Holy Sanctuary, is proof that many "trads" have been conditioned to accept modernism, the occassion of sin, and feminism.

It's lukewarm scuм like you who are extremely dangerous to the Church and society. Your day of reckoning is coming - Apocalypse of John 3:16

You're insane ... with bitter zeal.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
Fathers who take pride in the sɛҳuąƖ attractiveness of their daughters border on being pimps --- or worse.

What I have fond more is the WOMEN who take pride in the attractiveness of their daughters.  Most of the fathers just give up and give in after a while.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 07:14:21 PM
I wish that Matthew would abolish the 'anonymous' section. It is just a hide-out place for posters that are of doubtful morality.  
Pornography is not allowed on CI.
I have to many problems that come from the temptations that comes from the world, and the flesh, and the devil.
And see this trash on CI. This makes my day.
If these 'anonymous' do not identify themselves, them kick them off.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on November 14, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
 wish that Matthew would abolish the 'anonymous' section. It is just a hide-out place for posters that are of doubtful morality.  
Pornography is not allowed on CI.
I have to many problems that come from the temptations that comes from the world, and the flesh, and the devil.
And see this trash on CI. This makes my day.
If these 'anonymous' do not identify themselves, them kick them off.

I am not afraid to identify myself.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: ByzCat3000 on November 14, 2019, 07:25:10 PM
I've always found annoying how this section is used as well.  Like I could see it if one were seeking advice regarding a personal sin or something, I mean probably better to ask a priest (And I mean that's probably what I'd suggest too) but like I could maybe see some personal things deserving this.  But this forum gets overused.

I also find the "anyone who's less trad than me is a modernist, anyone who's more trad than me is a prude" attitude kinda annoying.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
What I have fond more is the WOMEN who take pride in the attractiveness of their daughters.  Most of the fathers just give up and give in after a while.
I think you have something there.  You can almost sense the mothers saying to their daughters "now, dear, this is the way you need to dress --- you'll get the boys' attention that way, after all, if you can't show a little skin, what's the point?".  Very likely the mothers dressed this way, mutatis mutandis for what "tested the boundaries" in their own day, when they were the daughters' ages, possibly for the same reasons.  What the girls --- and their mothers --- don't realize is that others are snickering behind their backs.  "Chunky-butts" was the term we used in my family to lampoon girls who wore mini-skirts to Mass.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SimpleMan on November 14, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
I was the one who made comment #45 above.  I had clicked before I could check the "post with your username" box.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 14, 2019, 08:18:36 PM
Quote
Quote from: Ladislaus on Thu Nov 14 2019 19:04:38 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
You're insane ... with bitter zeal.


You're insane ... with mushy liberalism.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: songbird on November 14, 2019, 08:23:27 PM
Pax Vobis: thank you for your post: Papal Decree of Pope Pius XI.  This should be posted, or put in bulletins, said from the Pulpit!
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: ByzCat3000 on November 14, 2019, 08:24:38 PM
You're insane ... with mushy liberalism.
PFFT.  

You should at least post these things with your actual username lol
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
You're insane ... with mushy liberalism.

Using terms like "lukewarm scuм" cannot be anything but bitter zeal.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 12:02:25 AM
Quote
Quote from: Ladislaus on Thu Nov 14 2019 20:28:19 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)

Using terms like "lukewarm scuм" cannot be anything but bitter zeal.

Criticizing people who use abrasive but true terms cannot be anything but mushy liberalism.
You must have issues with St. John Chrysostom, too, for his use of harsh words.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
I wish that Matthew would abolish the 'anonymous' section. It is just a hide-out place for posters that are of doubtful morality.  
Pornography is not allowed on CI.
I have to many problems that come from the temptations that comes from the world, and the flesh, and the devil.
And see this trash on CI. This makes my day.
If these 'anonymous' do not identify themselves, them kick them off.
it's obviously The Last Tradhican. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Stubborn on November 15, 2019, 06:26:58 AM
A short snip taken from a sermon (https://gofile.io/?c=ck3NBA) that Fr. Wathen gave about St. Agnes, directed mainly to the young ladies.

Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 07:11:01 AM
it's obviously The Last Tradhican.
Last Tradhican is posting on another thread about the same subject, anyone that has a problem with anything they guess he has wrote, should just go to that other thread and see what he actually really writes. Here is the thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/holy-family-academy-another-scandal-in-phoenix/msg675490/?topicseen#msg675490 (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/holy-family-academy-another-scandal-in-phoenix/msg675490/?topicseen#msg675490)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 15, 2019, 07:17:43 AM
Last Tradhican is posting on another thread about the same subject, anyone that has a problem with anything they guess he wrote, should just go to that other thread and see what he actually really writes. Here is the thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/holy-family-academy-another-scandal-in-phoenix/msg675490/?topicseen#msg675490 (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/holy-family-academy-another-scandal-in-phoenix/msg675490/?topicseen#msg675490)
That was me LT who posted that.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 15, 2019, 07:19:25 AM
A short snip taken from a sermon (https://gofile.io/?c=ck3NBA) that Fr. Wathen gave about St. Agnes, directed mainly to the young ladies.
Stubborn,
Nothing is coming up when I click the link.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Stubborn,
Nothing is coming up when I click the link.
Strange, I tried attaching it to this post, see if that works, if not I'll upload it to dropbox.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Stubborn on November 15, 2019, 07:31:41 AM
Here is the link.  (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ia84vj5ot24vbab/St.%20Agnes.mp3?dl=0)
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 02:23:30 PM
In our area, the NO Catholic school girls wear their skirts so short it is totally indecent.  The prom dresses look like they are ready to join a harem.  

The priests don’t say a thing because the parents don’t listen or it is the priests are afraid of losing money from tuitions. 

Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
Years ago, I witnessed a novus ordo priest deny a young girl holy communion because she wore a low cut tank top.  He now is a priest at indult.  

What is funny is how my Italian No neighbors say how much they love Padre Pio yet dress like hookers at special occasions?   I guess they really don’t know much about padre pio.  

Growing in novus ordo everyone dressed modest to Mass, work, school.  Even to go shopping women wore dresses.  



Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
Discussing this stuff as much as it’s discussed here is just creepy. If this is a serious problem, talk to the priest about it. I’ve never seen anyone dressed like that st the SSPX chapels I’ve attended.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 04:56:19 PM
Creepy implies that the discussion is intrusive or weird.  On the contrary, this issue is a public calamity and a big scandal.  If you haven’t seen it at some chapels then you’re lucky or blind.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 05:01:28 PM
Feminism is creeping into trad chapels. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 08:14:46 PM
https://www.uscatholic.org/massattire (https://www.uscatholic.org/massattire)



Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 15, 2019, 08:16:35 PM
https://www.uscatholic.org/massattire (https://www.uscatholic.org/massattire)
Are Trad women reading this garbage?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2019, 12:04:20 PM
I have to ask, where are these pictures coming from? 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 18, 2019, 12:21:03 PM
I have to ask, where are these pictures coming from?
What pictures? Show us a quote or a link.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 01:23:26 PM
What pictures? Show us a quote or a link.
I mean the pictures the OP posted at the beginning of the thread. Where do they come from?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 01:42:14 PM
They look like clothing ad photos to me, no? 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 03:54:30 PM
I mean the pictures the OP posted at the beginning of the thread. Where do they come from?
The OP has no proof thst these pics are actualy of girls from the Sanford chapel( they could come from anywhere for all we know) If he actually took these pictures from far away, he has serious problems   
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 04:05:34 PM
The OP has no proof thst these pics are actualy of girls from the Sanford chapel( they could come from anywhere for all we know) If he actually took these pictures from far away, he has serious problems  
The women posed for those pictures, they were very happy to pose for those pictures you can tell by smiles and everything. Whoever said what you say is the one with the serious problem for even thinking such a thought.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SimpleMan on November 19, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
The OP has no proof thst these pics are actualy of girls from the Sanford chapel( they could come from anywhere for all we know) If he actually took these pictures from far away, he has serious problems  
I didn't get the impression that these were actual pictures of girls from the Sanford chapel.  I don't think OP said they were.  They seem to have been pulled off the internet as examples of what the OP is talking about.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
The women posed for those pictures, they were very happy to pose for those pictures you can tell by smiles and everything. Whoever said what you say is the one with the serious problem for even thinking such a thought.
But how do we know these are girls from the Sanford chapel? If they aren’t, why the hell should we believe that  OP who seems to be saying( without proof) that girls at the Sanford chapel dress like this?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 19, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
The women posed for those pictures, they were very happy to pose for those pictures you can tell by smiles and everything. Whoever said what you say is the one with the serious problem for even thinking such a thought.
You're thinking of a different set of photos, there are no "smiles" or even faces at all in OP's pics. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 20, 2019, 09:16:45 AM
Those of you claiming no photo proof missed the post with the lady & the pastor.  :fryingpan:
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 20, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
Are you walking around your chapel taking photos of women and girls? That is weird. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 20, 2019, 10:06:46 AM
Those of you claiming no photo proof missed the post with the lady & the pastor.  :fryingpan:
Where?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 20, 2019, 12:24:41 PM
I didn't notice this when I went to St. Marys
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 22, 2019, 10:52:27 AM

Anybody that has not seen any young girls at mass wearing the skirts pictured in the OP (and worse), or has not seen the same young girls wearing short shorts, jeans, spandex leggings, tank tops …etc.  during the week around town, is either living in a Siberian like cold location, or they are just oblivious to how anyone dresses at mass and do not see any of the young girls during the week.

If anyone is living in a location where you do not see  the young girls dressing to mass in skirts like the pictures in the OP or in tight form fitting outfits , and you can also say that you have seen the same girls about town dressed very  modestly during the week, then maybe you are living in a place where the parents and priests have done their job.  But that is not the case in St. Mary’s Kansas, the largest SSPX town in the world.

From https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-daughters-being-lost-to-the-world-1960s-all-over-again/15/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-daughters-being-lost-to-the-world-1960s-all-over-again/15/)

  1. The Franciscan Minims came to visit the girls earlier this year or last year and they reportedly said to the girls how disappointed they were in the girls because they had such immodest fashions and did not meet the Catholic standards, especially for a Traditional Catholic. Supposedly a girl or some girls replied to the Sisters something to the effect "no one has told us".
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on November 22, 2019, 01:41:28 PM
I would agree that the outfits are immodest.
The church teaches that the shirt should be 2 fingers below the neck line...sleeves to the elbows...skirts below the knee...I believe we should dress like our lady has always appeared...as fully dressed as possible
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 14, 2020, 01:20:26 PM
What’s with the ladies over 30 (mostly in their late 40’s to late 60’s) at Sanford Chapel, every day there are more and more wearing dresses and skirts to mass that are above their knees.  Do they think that exposing their wrinkled up knees is attractive? The knees are the ugliest part of the legs even for teenage girls, but for older women, it really stands out as a detraction to their looks.  I think that when those women look into a mirror, they see the young girl that modeled those clothes in a magazine and do not see themselves.
 

If they would cover their knees they would be highlighting their calves, which in some cases might still be attractive. But, I speak as someone from the world, speaking to women of the world. Speaking as a Catholic, those MOTHERS should dress like mothers and be a perfect example for their daughters of how to dress, they should not dress like they are still 20 years old and seeking a husband.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 15, 2020, 07:20:42 PM

Do they think that exposing their wrinkled up knees is attractive? The knees are the ugliest part of the legs even for teenage girls, but for older women, it really stands out as a detraction to their looks.


Then stop looking, you sanctimonious creep, and pay closer attention to Mass.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 15, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
Then stop looking, you sanctimonious creep, and pay closer attention to Mass.
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Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 15, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
Then stop looking, you sanctimonious creep, and pay closer attention to Mass.
LOL!!!!!! There’s the reason why the priests say nothing to women about what they wear.
 
But, in truth, the vast majority of the women would listen, so the priests must get past that fear of the few church going women who have mental issues.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 15, 2020, 11:47:00 PM

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Then stop looking, you sanctimonious creep, and pay closer attention to Mass.
Ahhh!  But Mass is only a few hours long.  Once this is over, how will feminist trad ladys excuse themselves, as their scandalous dress is openly seen on church grounds?  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 16, 2020, 07:51:06 AM
Then stop looking, you sanctimonious creep, and pay closer attention to Mass.
How do you know it was even a man? I assumed it was a woman talking.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 16, 2020, 12:37:39 PM
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On SMAC radio last year, they played a sermon about modesty, (I believe from a FSSP Priest) and he said the girls purposely parade their immodesty at Mass , and that the boys and girls refer to it as the "Communion Cat Walk". I heard of an SSPX Priests say that some girls walk up and down the street of the neighborhoods in which resides certain boy(s) they are trying to attract.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2020, 08:55:35 PM
This seems to be an obsession. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2020, 09:01:54 PM
On SMAC radio last year, they played a sermon about modesty, (I believe from a FSSP Priest) and he said the girls purposely parade their immodesty at Mass , and that the boys and girls refer to it as the "Communion Cat Walk". I heard of an SSPX Priests say that some girls walk up and down the street of the neighborhoods in which resides certain boy(s) they are trying to attract.
That is disgusting!  Why not just become a streetwalker?  Better an honest prostitute than a hypocritical, sex-crazed Catholic!
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 24, 2020, 09:14:04 PM
I'm guessing this anonymous person attends the SSPX in Sanford? You should leave if you can. I live in Florida and used to attend their masses. The priests offer communion not only to women dressed like that, but even to ones who have been divorced and remarried. I've seen this first hand at SSPX mass centers. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2020, 06:42:22 AM
 The priests offer communion not only to women dressed like that, but even to ones who have been divorced and remarried. I've seen this first hand at SSPX mass centers.
Perhaps those priests know something about the couple's marriage that you do not.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 25, 2020, 07:47:52 AM
I understand all of that, but you cannot do anything about it, but the priest can.....and should, and might if you spoke with him about it.

Your only other feasible option is to talk to the girls' parents if you know them. If you don't know the parents, then unless you have the right personality you probably shouldn't talk to them about this because if they don't already know better, a stranger telling them anything is not likely to help matters.

Which is the reason why I made the suggestion that you sit in one of the front pews, which is about the only thing you actually could do, albeit strictly for your own benefit. Of course you can keep posting your complaints about your chapel here, I mean heck, they are certainly legitimate, but that doesn't really fix anything at your chapel.




 
Ten years ago an extra large family move to our area and begin attending the sspx chapel here.  Mostly girls, they all dressed immodestly.
I felt I could do nothing, so I taught my children that they were not allowed to associate with that family because they dressed immodestly and people who dress immodestly are immodest on the inside, too.
Months went by.  Then one day the mother of that family approached one of my daughters and asked why she and her siblings don't talk to her children.  Without skipping a beat, my daughter replied, "because they dress immodestly!"
The mother marched towards my wife and scolded her.  My wife remained calm and told the woman, "is my daughter wrong?"  Then my wife walked away.  
Needless to say, the young men in the chapel fawned all over the females of this family.  It was a pathetic sight.
My eldest daughter told me, "it's not fair.  We dress and act properly but all they are marrying all the eligible men!"
I told my daughter she is lucky to have found out now, rather than later, about those young men.
Those poor men now, are married to the most high-maintenance, self-centered, young ladies I have ever seen.  
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on January 25, 2020, 08:19:18 AM
I told my daughter she is lucky to have found out now, rather than later, about those young men.
Those poor men now, are married to the most high-maintenance, self-centered, young ladies I have ever seen.  

Poor men?  They got what they were looking for.  And your daughter was fortunate to have been spared from men such as these.  Men who seek out potential spouses based on their seductive dress and behavior are not likely to make quality husbands, and they're much more inclined to cheat on their wives as their wives get older.  Your daughter dodged a bullet thanks to these immodest girls.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 06:09:38 AM
And your daughter was fortunate to have been spared from men such as these.  
All the eligible young men seem the same, at all the chapels we visit.  They chase the immodest young ladies and ignore the modest ones.  
Where are the true Traditional Catholic GOOD men?
Why aren't fathers rearing their sons and daughters properly?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 07:07:51 AM
Poor men?  They got what they were looking for.  
Do you really think this?
Perhaps they got what they were conditioned to look for..
The parents of these men should have advised their sons better.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 07:38:10 AM
All the eligible young men seem the same, at all the chapels we visit.  They chase the immodest young ladies and ignore the modest ones.  
Where are the true Traditional Catholic GOOD men?
Why aren't fathers rearing their sons and daughters properly?
If you are talking exclusively about SSPX chapels, I can comment that the fathers are not raising their sons and daughters properly because the SSPX does not teach them anything about it, they do not say one word about modesty, chaperoning, dress, flirting, boy chasing...… As a matter of fact, the girls sent to St. Mary's Kansas, the "marque" school of the SSPX, all come back bringing the immodest dress and boy chasing back to their home towns and contaminate the local little girls. 
Maybe you should look into the sedevacantes chapels? 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 07:38:59 AM
If you are talking exclusively about SSPX chapels, I can comment that the fathers are not raising their sons and daughters properly because the SSPX does not teach them anything about it, they do not say one word about modesty, chaperoning, dress, flirting, boy chasing...… As a matter of fact, the girls sent to St. Mary's Kansas, the "marque" school of the SSPX, all come back bringing the immodest dress and boy chasing back to their home towns and contaminate the local little girls.
Maybe you should look into the sedevacantes chapels?
That was me Last Tradhican.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
If you are talking exclusively about SSPX chapels, I can comment that the fathers are not raising their sons and daughters properly because the SSPX does not teach them anything about it, they do not say one word about modesty, chaperoning, dress, flirting, boy chasing...… As a matter of fact, the girls sent to St. Mary's Kansas, the "marque" school of the SSPX, all come back bringing the immodest dress and boy chasing back to their home towns and contaminate the local little girls.
Maybe you should look into the sedevacantes chapels?
I am not sedevecanti and won't go to their masses.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Last Tradhican on January 26, 2020, 09:09:56 AM
I am not sedevecanti and won't go to their masses.
Then you are stuck just like I am. Keep writing and maybe the SSPX might open their eyes.
God Bless and Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 26, 2020, 09:15:04 AM
Then you are stuck just like I am. Keep writing and maybe the SSPX might open their eyes.
God Bless and Keep up the good work.
We won't go to the sspx, either. 
Barring Divine Intervention, the SSPX will never open their eyes.  Pray from a distance.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2020, 01:03:50 PM

I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel. The neighborhood where the Sanford  Florida SSPX Priory is located is like a small enclosed private community, so anyone that lives there sees what everyone is doing. I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel, and don’t go to mass weekdays. 

The other day I was going to mass and I saw one of the young  school teachers   walking around in the tightests shortest shorts and a tight form fit sleeveless top and flip flops. I never go there, the priests live there. Does anyone think that 6 priest living there have not seen the girl dressed like that many times? A person that lives in the neighborhood told me he sees her walk by like that all the time.

That is a TEACHER in the school!

The SSPX priests either don’t care what anyone wears or they are cowards like the Novus Ordo priests, afraid to lose parishioners by saying anything.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel. The neighborhood where the Sanford  Florida SSPX Priory is located is like a small enclosed private community, so anyone that lives there sees what everyone is doing. I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel, and don’t go to mass weekdays.

The other day I was going to mass and I saw one of the young  school teachers   walking around in the tightests shortest shorts and a tight form fit sleeveless top and flip flops. I never go there, the priests live there. Does anyone think that 6 priest living there have not seen the girl dressed like that many times? A person that lives in the neighborhood told me he sees her walk by like that all the time.

That is a TEACHER in the school!

The SSPX priests either don’t care what anyone wears or they are cowards like the Novus Ordo priests, afraid to lose parishioners by saying anything.
1. Maybe they LIKE seeing young ladies dress this way.
2. Maybe she is the daughter of a great benefactor.
So many possibilities....
I wonder why are there SIX priests living at one SSPX chapel?
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2020, 01:44:03 PM
LINK (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl64515AYXO/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=ndqcrm03syyz)

Though not in the church itself in the link above, it's not uncommon to see people dressed in "less than modest attire."
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2020, 02:13:23 PM

I wonder why are there SIX priests living at one SSPX chapel?
The SSPX usually tries to have their priests live in community, with three being the minimum. Sanford would thus be a priory, and the priest will go to other mission chapels for Sunday and return tot he priory. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on January 29, 2020, 03:28:04 PM
Though not in the church itself in the link above, it's not uncommon to see people dressed in "less than modest attire."

I agree that it's completely inappropriate for this priest to get photographed standing in such close quarters with the lady who's immodestly dressed.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel. The neighborhood where the Sanford  Florida SSPX Priory is located is like a small enclosed private community, so anyone that lives there sees what everyone is doing. I don’t live in the neighborhood of the SSPX Sanford Chapel, and don’t go to mass weekdays.

The other day I was going to mass and I saw one of the young  school teachers   walking around in the tightests shortest shorts and a tight form fit sleeveless top and flip flops. I never go there, the priests live there. Does anyone think that 6 priest living there have not seen the girl dressed like that many times? A person that lives in the neighborhood told me he sees her walk by like that all the time.

That is a TEACHER in the school!

The SSPX priests either don’t care what anyone wears or they are cowards like the Novus Ordo priests, afraid to lose parishioners by saying anything.
A teacher who teaches the children in an SSPX Priory school dresses like that when she is off work and no priest says anything? What a bad example for the little girls. They will probably grow up to dress the same way.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 09, 2020, 06:21:12 PM

From another the CI thread:

 

New Website from France about Modesty

Hello everybody, I'm new on this forum, so I'll introduce myself: I'm a French Catholic from the Resistance, married, father of several children. We are from Brittany in France.
 May I announce the creation of a new website on modesty in clothing, which studies the fashions of the 20th century, who brought them, what the Popes said about them, and... the enemies of the Church. There are also answers to objections, links to sites that sell both beautiful and modest things, anecdotes for reflection... The website address is:
 https://www.modestiecatholique.com (https://www.modestiecatholique.com/)
 
 

Do not hesitate to consult it if you are interested in this subject. I wish you all a holy day, and God bless you all! Joseph
 
 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 10, 2020, 04:09:20 PM

If only one SSPX priest would be manly enough to say anything. So many young girls being lost to the world while going to mass every Sunday and being told nothing about their immodesty.  

Here’s Pope Benedict XV in 1921:Encyclical - Sacra Propediem, word for word the same sermon could be given today at any SSPX chapel:
 



….. one cannot sufficiently deplore the blindness of so many women of every age and condition; made foolish by desire to please, they do not see to what a degree the in decency of their clothing shocks every honest man, and offends God. Most of them would formerly have blushed for those fashions as a grave fault against Christian modesty; now it does not suffice for them to exhibit them on the public thoroughfares; they do not fear to cross the threshold of the churches, to assist at the Holy sacrifice of the Mass, and even to bear the seducing food of shameful passions to the Eucharistic Table where one receives the heavenly Author of purity.
 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on February 10, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
If only one SSPX priest would be manly enough to say anything. So many young girls being lost to the world while going to mass every Sunday and being told nothing about their immodesty.  

Alas, saying things doesn't suffice.  I know an elderly Traditional priest.  When he notices immodest dress, he speaks against it from the pulpit.  And he'll call out specific individuals even.  Things improve for a while, but then little by little, inch by inch, over time, the immodest fashions resume.  Then he says something again.  This cycle has repeated over and over again for years.  Women of good will need only be admonished once, but for those who are not generous in serving God, no number of admonitions suffice.  Perhaps they might stop dressing immodestly at Mass, but then immediately do so again when they are not in church.  Either people wish to serve God or they don't.  If it gets bad enough, the priest could refuse the Sacraments, but that again might take care of the problem for a little while, or just in church, but that's as far as it goes.

One would think that the women who knew what Padre Pio thought about the subject would take heed of what he had to say.  But even with him the women would show up immodestly dressed and then try to slap something on just before going to Confession.

It's similar with children.  You can make them do things while they are children, but then they exercise their free will.  Either they will choose to do good or they will not.  It's just the mystery of iniquity.

So I disagree that a priest saying anything would prevent them from being lost to the world.  Only prayer and grace, and the cooperation of their free will is going to have any lasting effect.  Does this mean that he should not say anything?  No, of course not.  But what really needs to happen is for society as a whole to once again show disdain for such displays of immodesty.  Women tend to be social lemmings, and they would be embarrassed to be shunned or shamed by their peers and by society.  That is why many parents are fighting a losing battle.  Girls and women are more interested in what other women and girls think than about what their parents say.  Only those with deep faith and a generosity in pleasing God are immune to this tendency of fallen female nature.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 01:18:27 PM
LINK (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl64515AYXO/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=ndqcrm03syyz)

Though not in the church itself in the link above, it's not uncommon to see people dressed in "less than modest attire."
Here's Bergolio giving a similar sign ( the hidden hand masonic sign) as the proud Florida SSPX prior in the link picture next to the exposed breast young girl.
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Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
Even more amazing is that the picture of the Florida SSPX prior with the exposed breasts young girl was taken at the priory and is proudly posted on the SSPX Florida Priory Website, that is where it was copy and pasted from!
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 19, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
1) Are you saying that immodestly dressed women posing in the middle of the photo as the centerpiece is a faithful of the priory??

2) And that this was posted on the Sanford priory website (If so, can you supply the link)?

3) And that Fr. Vernoy is the priest next to her?

I have been largely discounting your allegations of immodesty in Sanford because of the anonymity, but now that you are submitting pictorial evidence (if the above are all true), I have to say that I am disgusted.

But I am withholding judgment until you respond...
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 19, 2020, 10:05:34 PM
1) Are you saying that immodestly dressed women posing in the middle of the photo as the centerpiece is a faithful of the priory??

2) And that this was posted on the Sanford priory website (If so, can you supply the link)?

3) And that Fr. Vernoy is the priest next to her?

I have been largely discounting your allegations of immodesty in Sanford because of the anonymity, but now that you are submitting pictorial evidence (if the above are all true), I have to say that I am disgusted.

But I am withholding judgment until you respond...
So, after searching around a bit more, it looks like the photo you submitted of the immodestly dressed woman is not a parishioner at all, nor are the pics taken at the Sanford priory.  Apparently this was some kind of reception for Fr. Vernoy when he became an American citizen, and likely had no control or influence over what attire was worn by those attending at a neutral venue.
Yes, it looks bad for 7 SSPX members to be posing with this woman in a picture, and I'm not sure why they are, but my guess woud be that despite any smiles, they felt just as uncomfortable with the situation they walked into as you or I would.
Unless there is some evidence to the contrary, it is also your duty to render the same benefit of the doubt (and there is plenty of doubt).
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 19, 2020, 10:06:11 PM
So, after searching around a bit more, it looks like the photo you submitted of the immodestly dressed woman is not a parishioner at all, nor are the pics taken at the Sanford priory.  Apparently this was some kind of reception for Fr. Vernoy when he became an American citizen, and likely had no control or influence over what attire was worn by those attending at a neutral venue.
Yes, it looks bad for 7 SSPX members to be posing with this woman in a picture, and I'm not sure why they are, but my guess woud be that despite any smiles, they felt just as uncomfortable with the situation they walked into as you or I would.
Unless there is some evidence to the contrary, it is also your duty to render the same benefit of the doubt (and there is plenty of doubt).
That was me ^^^^
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2020, 06:41:37 AM
So, after searching around a bit more, it looks like the photo you submitted of the immodestly dressed woman is not a parishioner at all, nor are the pics taken at the Sanford priory.  Apparently this was some kind of reception for Fr. Vernoy when he became an American citizen, and likely had no control or influence over what attire was worn by those attending at a neutral venue.
Yes, it looks bad for 7 SSPX members to be posing with this woman in a picture, and I'm not sure why they are, but my guess woud be that despite any smiles, they felt just as uncomfortable with the situation they walked into as you or I would.
Unless there is some evidence to the contrary, it is also your duty to render the same benefit of the doubt (and there is plenty of doubt).
The picture was posted as a link on this thread on post #38, posted as a link likely because the girl was so scandalously dressed, the picture was a closeup, this was the posting:

Quote
The prior pictured with a lady dressed as the original poster described; https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/38160595_1866071290153618_7337076340945846272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnTihzQnbT6uq7u8M2GFbKsjK8bDDyl7cmC-Fpu4TA5xZ7-lbSKUuqMWmZCFhXHCkYSk7Dhb9KS2cNbxljd8iaj&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=a15f5c34d6feba971e319b7e0624c81d&oe=5E57C343 (https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/38160595_1866071290153618_7337076340945846272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnTihzQnbT6uq7u8M2GFbKsjK8bDDyl7cmC-Fpu4TA5xZ7-lbSKUuqMWmZCFhXHCkYSk7Dhb9KS2cNbxljd8iaj&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=a15f5c34d6feba971e319b7e0624c81d&oe=5E57C343)

 


The picture was posted by someone else, I am the OP and I had never seen the picture before the link was provided. Furthermore I did not want to post it because it is too scandalous.
Then on posting #103 someone posted the complete picture, which again was the first time I had seen it.
A few days ago I Googled St. Thomas More Church Sanford to get the church bulletin and the Google map page that comes out on the right had a link to the St. Thomas More Church Sanford Facebook page and when I clicked it I found that picture as a featured picture. I just looked it up now and the picture has been removed. I thought the original picture poster on CI had exposed a secret private picture, but instead I found that it was proudly posted as a featured picture on the STM Facebook page. That is when I posted my comment on posting #111:
 
 Even more amazing is that the picture of the Florida SSPX prior with the exposed breasts young girl was taken at the priory and is proudly posted on the SSPX Florida Priory Website, that is where it was copy and pasted from!
It looks like the picture was posted by three different people.
Now to answer your questions:
The girl is not a parishioner (but it is striking in that it shows that at Fr. Vernoy’s own home, at his private party in his own home, he does not pull the girl apart and tell her to cover up. Instead, he lets her parade around scandalizing all the priests and parishioners there.  Moreover, he proudly posts the picture on the STM Facebook page to further scandalize others. That just shows that he will never tell a parishioner to dress modestly, he does not care in the least.)
The picture was taken at the priory back patio. That is where they have all the parties, get togethers. Anyone that knows the priory can attest to the fact that the picture was taken there.
I’m told the picture was taken at a celebration of Fr. Vernoy becoming a US Citizen, but I’m surprised that Fr. De Chambour is in the picture, since he left the SSPX for the Resistance, but time flies, so maybe he was there when Fr. Vernoy became a citizen.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on February 20, 2020, 07:02:09 AM
The girl is not a parishioner (but it is striking in that it shows that at Fr. Vernoy’s own home, at his private party in his own home, he does not pull the girl apart and tell her to cover up. Instead, he lets her parade around scandalizing all the priests and parishioners there.  Moreover, he proudly posts the picture on the STM Facebook page to further scandalize others. That just shows that he will never tell a parishioner to dress modestly, he does not care in the least.)

I agree that this is grave scandal; he thereby clearly condones seriously-immodest dress.  Whether or not he corrected her might be a question of prudence, but posting the picture on their web page is a terrible scandal.  It crosses a very clear line.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 20, 2020, 07:20:17 AM
The picture was posted as a link on this thread on post #38, posted as a link likely because the girl was so scandalously dressed, the picture was a closeup, this was the posting:

 


The picture was posted by someone else, I am the OP and I had never seen the picture before the link was provided. Furthermore I did not want to post it because it is too scandalous.
Then on posting #103 someone posted the complete picture, which again was the first time I had seen it.
A few days ago I Googled St. Thomas More Church Sanford to get the church bulletin and the Google map page that comes out on the right had a link to the St. Thomas More Church Sanford Facebook page and when I clicked it I found that picture as a featured picture. I just looked it up now and the picture has been removed. I thought the original picture poster on CI had exposed a secret private picture, but instead I found that it was proudly posted as a featured picture on the STM Facebook page. That is when I posted my comment on posting #111:
 
Even more amazing is that the picture of the Florida SSPX prior with the exposed breasts young girl was taken at the priory and is proudly posted on the SSPX Florida Priory Website, that is where it was copy and pasted from!
It looks like the picture was posted by three different people.
Now to answer your questions:
The girl is not a parishioner (but it is striking in that it shows that at Fr. Vernoy’s own home, at his private party in his own home, he does not pull the girl apart and tell her to cover up. Instead, he lets her parade around scandalizing all the priests and parishioners there.  Moreover, he proudly posts the picture on the STM Facebook page to further scandalize others. That just shows that he will never tell a parishioner to dress modestly, he does not care in the least.)
The picture was taken at the priory back patio. That is where they have all the parties, get togethers. Anyone that knows the priory can attest to the fact that the picture was taken there.
I’m told the picture was taken at a celebration of Fr. Vernoy becoming a US Citizen, but I’m surprised that Fr. De Chambour is in the picture, since he left the SSPX for the Resistance, but time flies, so maybe he was there when Fr. Vernoy became a citizen.
Thank you for these clarifications and corrections.
In light of them, I am modifying my opinion somewhat.
I had wanted to believe that Fr. Vernoy has found himself in an uncomfortable and awkward social situation, and therefore, perhaps from human weakness (to which we are all continually subject) rendered a human respect which caused him to pretend not to notice.
At least that would have been understandable (which is not to say condoned).
But if it is true, that removed from an awkward situation, Fr. Vernoy loaded the immodest picture to the chapel website, it becomes rather difficult to continue to extend the benefit of the doubt.
The least that can be said, is that Fr. Vernoy exercised poor judgment in uploading that picture (if he did; could it have been uploaded by a secretary, or someone else?).
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Ladislaus on February 20, 2020, 07:47:34 AM
Thank you for these clarifications and corrections.
In light of them, I am modifying my opinion somewhat.
I had wanted to believe that Fr. Vernoy has found himself in an uncomfortable and awkward social situation, and therefore, perhaps from human weakness (to which we are all continually subject) rendered a human respect which caused him to pretend not to notice.
At least that would have been understandable (which is not to say condoned).
But if it is true, that removed from an awkward situation, Fr. Vernoy loaded the immodest picture to the chapel website, it becomes rather difficult to continue to extend the benefit of the doubt.
The least that can be said, is that Fr. Vernoy exercised poor judgment in uploading that picture (if he did; could it have been uploaded by a secretary, or someone else?).

Agreed.  Posting the picture on their website crosses a line.  Prudence does not always required a correction, so, as you said, given the circuмstances, I could see someone just ignoring it.  But posting it online is an altogether different matter.

If Traditional Catholic women/girls see the picture, they could easily be confirmed in their inclination to claim that there's nothing wrong with dressing like that.  After all, a Traditional Catholic priest has posted the picture.  It's grave scandal due to the bad example given.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2020, 08:03:22 AM

Correction – I checked and Fr. De Chambord left the SSPX for the Resistance in 2013, so that is likely not him in the picture.


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I’m told the picture was taken at a celebration of Fr. Vernoy becoming a US Citizen, but I’m surprised that Fr. De Chambord is in the picture, since he left the SSPX for the Resistance, but time flies, so maybe he was there when Fr. Vernoy became a citizen.

 
The full picture posting #103 says it was posted to Facebook on July 2018, so it has been in the St. Thomas More Church Facebook page for like 19 months at most, and at the minimum since the poster on this CI thread comment #38 posted it in November 2019. It shows 11 likes.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2020, 02:06:59 PM
Agreed.  Posting the picture on their website crosses a line.  Prudence does not always required a correction, so, as you said, given the circuмstances, I could see someone just ignoring it.  But posting it online is an altogether different matter.

If Traditional Catholic women/girls see the picture, they could easily be confirmed in their inclination to claim that there's nothing wrong with dressing like that.  After all, a Traditional Catholic priest has posted the picture.  It's grave scandal due to the bad example given.
Will Banezian and Xavier come to explain this away? Afterall the SSPX has not changed!
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
There are numerous other priests in the picture, including those at the time of the priory and at the time the local Novus Ordo pastor.

The location is the backyard of the priory residence. :fryingpan:

The Sanford chapel is well docuмented here. Strange place outside the need for sacraments.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 21, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
To get to this chapel one have to drive by the priory and for at least two occasions I was shocked to witness one of the young teachers dressed with something just like this (see pic/drawing) right pass the priory. I kid you not, completely tight and even a bit smaller than the pic shown! Unbelievable!

https://www.wikihow.com/Wear-Spandex-Shorts-Under-Skirts-and-Dresses#/Image:Wear-Spandex-Shorts-Under-Skirts-and-Dresses-Step-6-Version-2.jpg (https://www.wikihow.com/Wear-Spandex-Shorts-Under-Skirts-and-Dresses#/Image:Wear-Spandex-Shorts-Under-Skirts-and-Dresses-Step-6-Version-2.jpg)


Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 02:56:00 PM
The men are demonized for being men. That's the problem. They become men of God and all of a sudden....... SEXIST. I dont want my daughter to dress immodestly....... MYSOGYNY. i WOULD PREFER IF MY WIFE STAYED HOME....  RIGID!!!!!!!  You better get on board with the husband/man being the boss. It's been that way since the early 1900's across the map. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 05:09:38 PM
A few months ago I was chatting with the priest after Mass. He looked over at a young woman and then asked me to point out her mother to him. I did and he immediately went over to the mother and discussed the length of the skirt the daughter  was wearing. I walked away but did hear him tell the mother that her daughter was not to wear that skirt anymore.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Hooker Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 05:14:37 PM
About time!

We need more priests to behave this way.
And to get on people wearing flip flops, cap sleeves (women), t-shirts (men) and sneakers.

Sunday is for "Sunday best".
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 05:18:17 PM
There should be sermons about how to dress properly.  Why don’t they discuss this at these conferences?  It starts at home or it should. 

Children don’t need cell phones, tv and laptops.  There is no way a parent today can monitor their child’s social media, etc.  They will have accounts just for your viewing and have other secret accounts that you will not know about. 
Of course, there is constant pop ups of porn and anti Christianity too.  



 



Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 06:01:47 PM
I am willing to bet Fr. Pieroni will put a stop to that. He has no qualms about correcting people on their irreverent dress or behavior. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 08:09:02 PM
I am willing to bet Fr. Pieroni will put a stop to that. He has no qualms about correcting people on their irreverent dress or behavior.

There is no way Fr. Pieroni will interfere with Prior Toupee, who is in the middle of selling chapels off in Florida like candy. Money is the priority for the $$PX Florida.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
There is no way Fr. Pieroni will interfere with Prior Toupee, who is in the middle of selling chapels off in Florida like candy. Money is the priority for the $$PX Florida.
So sad.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 08:37:48 PM
Regarding Father toupee he is also a committeeman for the local Republican Party. While the republicans are a degree above the democrats for the most part, why is a priest so involved in politics of this manner? Arent there any other duties the priest has? 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 08:43:53 PM
Regarding Father toupee he is also a committeeman for the local Republican Party. While the republicans are a degree above the democrats for the most part, why is a priest so involved in politics of this manner? Arent there any other duties the priest has?

True. He is obsessed with politics. He frequently wines and dines politicians at Sanford. Last year he was bragging about the closure of chapels. It’s sad, but it’s the truth.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 08:53:45 PM
Chapels that have or will be sold off. St. Philomena in Miami sold. Our Lady of Victory in Davie is soon to be sold off. St Michael the Archangel in Jacksonville is soon to be sold.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 09:01:45 PM
Before the priory the Sspx also had a church in Vero Beach. They had a presence in Tavares as well after the pastor there died but seems like that church is no longer either. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 09:22:47 PM
Nope, they have no presence there. The bizarre thing is that they seem to have missions in the most obscure parts of Florida. For example, there is one in Miramar Beach, a tourist destination with about 8,000 in population. In Brookville's population of approximately 7,00, there is one. Total waste of resources.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 09:28:07 PM
In Vero Beach, I believe the SSPX left the faithful stranded, and one of the priests from Bishop Sanborn seminary opened up a chapel in a hotel.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: cletus1805 on July 12, 2022, 10:59:43 PM
Nope, they have no presence there. The bizarre thing is that they seem to have missions in the most obscure parts of Florida. For example, there is one in Miramar Beach, a tourist destination with about 8,000 in population. In Brookville's population of approximately 7,00, there is one. Total waste of resources.
Miramar is extremely wealthy, that's why.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 12, 2022, 11:27:52 PM
Are people not stupid?

It seems that they are.

What to do about stupid people, and what if sometimes it turns out that you're one of them?

Everybody's equal and everybody's got to be somewhere.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 12:20:36 AM
Here or there, whether at this or that, everybody has the right to vote, or say what, or what for, for the same reasons as Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump. They turned 18 and chew gum and walk.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 12:22:52 AM
can. They turned 18 and can chew gum and walk.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 07:09:28 AM
Also with Miramar Beach I believe a benefactor passed away within the last year or two and left the building to the Sspx as well.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 08:10:20 AM
Lay in pews literature about immodest dress.  The Mennonite has excellent literature about the subject too. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
Miramar is extremely wealthy, that's why.

Ah, ok, that makes sense. It's only the reason I can think of why they have a chapel in Miramar. 
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 12:58:42 PM
It fits in perfectly with the new SSPX; give us money, and we will provide you with a priest. A pay play, So to speak.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 01:14:13 PM
It fits in perfectly with the new SSPX; give us money, and we will provide you with a priest. A pay play, So to speak.
Absolutely.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 02:22:53 PM
Also with Miramar Beach I believe a benefactor passed away within the last year or two and left the building to the Sspx as well.

You nailed it.  The building was given to the SSPX in 2014 for $100

(https://i.imgur.com/NWM2kWv.png)


Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 02:31:31 PM
I feel sorry for the benefactors or priest who will their chapels or buildings to the SSPX. Eventually, they will just be sold off.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
I feel sorry for the benefactors or priest who will their chapels or buildings to the SSPX. Eventually, they will just be sold off.
Yep.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 13, 2022, 06:23:37 PM
History repeats itself.  Money. Money…

Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Yeti on July 13, 2022, 08:57:21 PM
The Mennonite has excellent literature about the subject too.
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This is very interesting! Do you have a link you could share? I'd really like to see this. Thanks.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: bodeens on July 13, 2022, 09:18:10 PM
I hope I didn't just fall into sin by clicking this thread and checking what people considered to be immodest lol. In all seriousness: I do know I wouldn't let my wife dress like any of those and for the record have never seen anyone at any SSPX chapel dress like that.
Title: Re: SSPX Sanford Fl - Fashions for this Sunday
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 14, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
 for the record have never seen anyone at any SSPX chapel dress like that.
You are very fortunate.