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SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
« on: October 28, 2019, 01:19:09 PM »
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  • The SSPX Chapel in Sanford Florida became a priory about 10 years ago. Formerly, Sanford was served as a mission of the Dickinson Texas Priory by the priest Fr. Ndong , who was then transferred to Tennessee,  and a few years later went back to his native Gabon, Africa and started a Resistance chapel  there.

    The new prior sent by the SSPX was Fr. Marc Vernoy, a native of Normandy, France .  From then on the chapel began to change over the next ten years, EVERYTHING spiritually changed, how the people lived the faith, it changed dramatically for the worst.  I believe this change may be a microcosm of what is happening or will be happening to the SSPX worldwide, unless the priests change their ways and begin teaching details.

    In the most important spiritual realm, in those ten years all of the true traditionalists (Catholics who LIVED the faith) were chased away,  died or became indifferent, and not a one person was raised, educated, to replace them. There was no teaching of tradition (how to LIVE the Catholic Faith) for all of those years, and in the last 4 years the place has become filled with Novus Ordo conservatives, people just seeking a place where there is reverence, a beautiful  mass with beautiful vestments, a choir, incense…… ..  The sermons for those ten years never once taught how to LIVE a Catholic life. They did give sermons about scripture, saints, catechism….. but never how to apply it in one’s life. As a consequence, as one example, the parishioners  daughters outside of mass dress just like any secular girls, in shorts, tight jeans, mini-skirts, stiletto heels, bikinis, and never a sermon about it. The young girls are getting pregnant out of wedlock and more will be added to the list if the priests continue to look the other way. Even the mothers dress to mass in provocative clothing. Women who use to wear modest clothing 10 years ago have “modernized” themselves and now come dressed to mass in tight skirts above the knees  and stiletos. The spiritual change for the worst has been profound! Meanwhile, the parish has masses, the sacraments, vespers, altar server classes, Holy Name Society for men, Ladies Altar Society for Women, they post videos of Sunday Mass on Youtube, have pilgrimages, and retreats, but yet NOTHING is taught about how to LIVE a Catholic life. The proof is in the pudding, the way the young girls dress and live their lives, the way the parents dress and live their lives, what the priests speak against. It is all a façade of aesthetics, a beautiful mass, processions, vestments, music, smells, bells, but NOTHING that can be used to change a life is taught.

    It is like they have a beautiful perfectly organized car showroom where they show you cars that have spotless paintjobs, perfectly clean leather, an engine compartment you could eat off of, and then they give you the plans to build your own car. Not one sermon on how to get the parts, or what you are doing wrong, not one. The priests see that the cars are not being built or they are being built totally wrong (young girls, dressing like the rest of the world and getting pregnant) and they say NOTHING of what is going wrong, they just keep going with the same “beautiful showroom” technique.


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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 01:37:58 PM »
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  • Well, that's not good. Please cite the example of St. Padre Pio to them or to your Priest, and ask him to speak like the Saint did. Have you done that before? There's also guidance from the Magisterium on it from, I believe, roughly 30 odd years before St. Pio's actions.

    He unrelentingly dismissed from his confessional, before they could step inside, all women he judged to be incorrectly dressed.  By 1967, on some mornings, he turned them away one after another, until he ended up confessing very few.  His brethren noticed this with a certain unease, then decided to post on the door of the church a warning:  "By Padre Pio's explicit wish, women must enter the confessional wearing skirts AT LEAST 8 INCHES BELOW THE KNEE.  It is forbidden to borrow longer dresses in church and to wear them to confession."

    The beginning of the struggle with no concessions whatsoever coincided more or less with the advent of the mini-skirt, launched by the English girl Mary Quant.  It had not yet reached Italy as Padre Pio was thundering against short skirts.  As fashion houses announced:  "Eight inches above the knee", Padre Pio warned:  "Eight inches below the knee" ...

    Our Lady said to Sister Lucy at Fatima:  "There will be fashions which will greatly offend My Divine Son".  Today's fashions prove Our Lady's words true, for these fashions are occasions of sin, occasions, alas, of serious sin, by reason of the sinful thoughts and desires which they provoke.  In the Gospel, Our Lord warned us about such evil desires:  "But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart."  (Mt.5:28).
    In the life of Saint Frances of Rome, we read of a vision of Hell which was granted her, and which lasted for four hours.  God willed to show her, in the fires of Hell, certain ladies whom she had known in Roman society.  For what sins had these souls been damned?  They had been damned:

    This vision of Hell so marked Saint Frances of Rome, that she had it painted on the murals of her chapel, as a constant reminder of the judgments of God.  God then gave her the mission of drawing the Roman ladies out of their luxury and their vanity.
    Our society is much worse than the society of Renaissance Rome...https://www.olrl.org/virtues/modcrus.shtml


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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
    « Reply #2 on: October 28, 2019, 01:42:11 PM »
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  • The above post was mine. I didn't check the box, and it's not allowing me to edit it now. Also, from the link above, there is this:

    "In Holy Communion, Our Lord takes possession of our whole being, so that the soul becomes subject to Him in humility, and the body in modesty and restraint.  From which it follows that a person who goes to Communion must be different, even exteriorly, from one who does not.
    Modesty in a woman is the sign that Jesus Christ dwells in her heart. It is a sweet perfume of edification which she is called upon to diffuse.
    Modesty in dress and behavior is, therefore, an indispensable way of making us more attentive to the obligations which we contracted at our Baptism.  It is a consequence of that dogma of Faith which tells us that the baptized soul is the dwelling of the Blessed Trinity and that the body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost.  Saint Paul, infallibly inspired by God, tells us:  "Know you not that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, Who is in you, Whom you have from God, and you are not your own?...  Glorify and bear God in your body".  (1 Cor.6:19-20).
    Today's fashions, on the contrary, dishonor and corrupt the Christian woman.  Their aim is to seduce and to arouse concupiscence, to the detriment of the soul's spiritual beauty, which is the true goal of our lives.  All of this is a strategic Masonic maneuver.  The destruction of Christian society, for which the Lodges have been working for two centuries, is to be realized through the destruction of the virtue of modesty in those who are baptized.  This corruption, which has been deliberately and carefully programmed, is being systematically brought about.
    It is, therefore, always necessary to remember the indispensable rules of Christian modesty, rules which are not to be practiced only in church!  Let us, then, look at these rules, first in general, and then, in particular, with regard to assistance at Mass.
    IN GENERAL, clothes should hide the shape of the body rather than accentuate it.  Only this kind of clothing can truly be called "decent".  This rule automatically excludes slacks (which are masculine apparel) for women.  Feminine apparel is a skirt or a dress which must cover the woman's knees when she is seated.  Decency in dress is to be observed, not only at Mass on Sundays, but every day of the week.  The deciding factor is not whether slacks or culottes are more comfortable than a skirt, but rather to do the Will of God, by "loving Him in all things and above all things" (Collect of the 6th Sunday after Pentecost).
    IN PARTICULAR, when attending Mass, we must be still more careful about how we dress.  For instance, women must cover their heads:  "Every woman praying ...with her head not covered, disgraces her head"  (1 Cor.11:5).  This rule has been the constant teaching of the Popes, and Pope St. Pius X had it included in the Code of Canon Law (Canon 1262).  It is a sign of humility and submission for a woman to cover her head, and draws down God's graces and blessings upon her.  Now is it an indifferent matter, just as no exterior act is an indifferent matter, for it proceeds from our very person and reveals what kind of person we are.
    Both men and women must have their arms covered in church, even when the weather is warm.  It is true that this is a sacrifice, and we should offer it to Our Lord, who suffered so much for us in His Body, in order to save us.  Let us learn to imitate Him in mortifying our body.
    We must hold to these rules, of which we are mentioning only the most essential, without human respect, especially in these times of ours.  For, as Dom Bernard Marechaux used to say:
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    "The evil of our day is this:  that the line of demarcation between Christian and non-Christian, between Christian and heretic, between Christian and idolater, is gradually fading away.  The cancer of Liberalism attacks everyone and we must be careful not to be infected ourselves.  Those who still call themselves Catholic live, too often, like those who have renounced this title.  Women who go to church dress just the way women who do not go to church dress; they read the same books and magazines as these women; they go to the same – often immoral – shows as these women; they no longer pray or do penance.  It is a confusion of license and worldliness.  As a result of these customs, the Church is beginning to disappear in the world. Christianity is being lost.  Only rarely does one find Catholics to whom the following words of Saint Paul can apply:  "...be blameless and sincere children of God, without reproof, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation; among whom you shine as lights in the world".  (Phil.2:15).  The early Christians stood out among the pagans like shining torches in the dark, and the example of their courage and their virtue attracted the pagans strongly to the Faith.  This is something which we do not see today, except in rare cases.  Everything is a mish-mash of unrestraint."
    Pope Pius XII said substantially the same thing, in an allocution to young Catholic girls during World War II:  (May 22, 1941):
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    "...Numbers of believing and pious women...in accepting to follow certain bold fashions, break down, by their example, the resistance of many other women to such fashions, which may become for them the cause of spiritual ruin.  As long as these provocative styles remain identified with women of doubtful virtue, good women do not dare to follow them; but once these styles have been accepted by women of good reputation, decent women soon follow their example, and are carried along by the tide into possible disaster."
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2019, 05:16:26 PM »
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    Well, that's not good. Please cite the example of St. Padre Pio to them or to your Priest, and ask him to speak like the Saint did. Have you done that before?


     

    The OP is also for all SSPX priests, for they all are not teaching details of how to LIVE a Catholic life. In the iconic SSPX city of St. Mary’s, Kansas, the young girls dress immodestly even to mass and NOTHING is said.  In all of the SSPX Europe chapels the women dress even more immodestly than in the USA. Then there is the unsupervised “dating” of single girls.  In our chapel, among those that arrived in the last 5 years there are many couples who’s marital status is a mystery (divorced and remarried, invalid annulments, living together, even a possible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couple) and not a peep about it from the pulpit.

    By their fruits you shall know them, by the parishioners, you will know if the priests are doing their job. They are not.

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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    The OP is also for all SSPX priests, for they all are not teaching details of how to LIVE a Catholic life. In the iconic SSPX city of St. Mary’s, Kansas, the young girls dress immodestly even to mass and NOTHING is said.  In all of the SSPX Europe chapels the women dress even more immodestly than in the USA. Then there is the unsupervised “dating” of single girls.  In our chapel, among those that arrived in the last 5 years there are many couples who’s marital status is a mystery (divorced and remarried, invalid annulments, living together, even a possible ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couple) and not a peep about it from the pulpit.

    By their fruits you shall know them, by the parishioners, you will know if the priests are doing their job. They are not.
    That doesn't answer my question, and also it's not like that at the SSPX chapels, nor at the Sacred Heart SSPX Priory in my country, so your anecdotal evidence only goes so far. Did you speak to the Priest respectfully about it? Yes or no. Real men don't tell tales behind other men's back, but then refuse to do the manly thing - which here is to walk up to the Priest saying something like, "Father, I would like to discuss something with you ..." and then reverently discussing the problem, which is indeed a real one, but you're not helping.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.


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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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  • There are over 5000 parishioners at the Saint Mary’s Kansas church, do you think the priests there have not noticed how the girls dress around town or that no one has pointed it out to the priests there? Do you think the priests are blind, that they need someone to point it out for them? Do you think someone brought it to the attention of Padre Pio?

    Where exactly is this country of yours?

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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  • Parents are to blame too.  And cell phones. 

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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  • As I write a forever 21 ad with immodest clothed young girls.  Weird. 


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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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    The SSPX Chapel in Sanford Florida became a priory about 10 years ago. Formerly, Sanford was served as a mission of the Dickinson Texas Priory by the priest Fr. Ndong , who was then transferred to Tennessee,  and a few years later went back to his native Gabon, Africa and started a Resistance chapel  there.


     
    Fr. Ndong would fly into Sanford on Friday nights and leave after Sunday mass. We would have mass Saturday and Sunday mornings. On first Fridays he would fly in earlier so we could have an evening mass. I mention this to show that he only saw the parishioners but a few hours every week, for he was not living in Sanford. Had he been living in Sanford he would have seen how the parishioners lived and dressed in town. Fr. Ndong was about 32 yers old at the time and a man’s man.  

    That said, the first time I mentioned to him about a 14 year old girl that was coming to mass in tight form fitting top and tight skirts and heels. The girl had no malice, she was an innocent 14 year old, but she was a fully developed woman, and a bad example to the other girls, though she was unconscious of any wrong doing. Fr. Ndong had one look at her and just 45 minutes later gave a long sermon on how young girls should dress. He was very detailed in the sermon, what he said was better than anything I could have even thought of saying. It was all done without scandalizing any of the little ones. He basically said that unless the parents are ready to have their daughters married to men of any age, that they should not dress them (the parents buy and pay for the clothes) to attract men. That was a nice way of saying what I would have said, that unless the parents are prepared to have their daughters pregnant by a man of any age, that they should not dress them provocatively. 

    Compare THAT 45 minute response time by Fr. Ndong to the 10 years and like 15 priests that have been LIVING in Sanford 24/7 and have NEVER said ANYTHING about how the women dress in the parish!   

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    Fr. Ndong was about 32 years old at the time and a man’s man.


    Maybe the new SSPX priest don’t see anything wrong in how the women dress because they are  eunuchs?

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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  • What has happened in Fr. N'dongs place? You have Fr. Vernoy docuмented on her; men's night with heavy drinking, priests that left the SSPX for whatever reason are sent to Sanford first, they used to report how much was collected in the collection & it was truthful, then the reports didn't add up and now they don't report it at all, Fr. Vernoy went nuts during resistance Masses down the street and walk stalk & HARASS people going to those Masses. 

    The priory is good for the Sacraments but the problem is the nutjob as prior.


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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
    « Reply #11 on: October 29, 2019, 04:08:28 PM »
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  • Anon yesterday 1:19,
    Please talk to Fr. James Haynos, newly arrived in Sanford.  Tell him your concerns.  An eight year old girl in our parish loved his sermons because she heard the Truth--which includes how to live a Catholic life well.  Many of us who did not grow up in a traditional Catholic family are still learning what it means to be a Roman Catholic.  Fr. Haynos does have that kind of family and the grace of over 30 years of the priesthood, and he is not afraid to tell anyone the Truth!

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
    « Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 08:37:09 AM »
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  • Yes, Fr. Haynos was recently stationed here, but he is never here on weekends, as he is serving the missions in South Florida, I think. Bottom line is he is never seen on weekends when everyone goes to mass. Hopefully he is able to see the problem, however, this thread has to do with ALL of the priests of the SSPX as the same problem exists in the iconic SSPX town of St. Mary’s Kansas, where they have a K-large school K-12, a College, and like 5000 parishioners. The same applies to all of the Europe chapels. The problem is an SSPX priest problem, they have to start preaching in details, how to LIVE a Catholic life. The first sign of success will be SEEN in how the young girls dress and behave in the world. Those young girls are the future of the SSPX.

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    Re: SSPX Sanford FL – Facade of Tradition
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  • Fr Haynos is “old school” SSPX  and formed by Bishop Williamson (please correct me if I’m wrong).  +Williamson formed warriors to fight against the world, the flesh, and the devil.  Fr. Haynos is handing down what he has received.  You will find this from most of +Williamson’s priests.  However Fr. Le Reux has/is forming “Catholic Gentlemen “ who have no idea of who the enemy truly is.  They have no clue how to fight the battle.  They can’t see or recognize the enemy hiding in the bushes.  They can give generalities of war (war is bad) but can’t give battle orders (Guard your left flank, encircle command and control)....ultimately making new priests useless against the enemy.

    Everything that was initially stated in this threads introduction can be mimicked at the SSPX Chapel in NC.  New, young priests give generalities of the spiritual life Is: talk of weapons and graces but it’s not until the older visiting priests come that you hear about the enemy and how to use those weapons.

    When the older priests trained by +Williamson were in charge the church was standing room only.  If you didn’t arrive 15 minutes early there was no place to park and you definitely wouldn’t get a seat.  People were hungry for the meat and potatoes on how to LIVE a good Catholic life and avoid the danger at your door.  Now you can show up 15 minutes late and have no problems parking. Seats are still available.  Meat and potatoes about recognizing the world, the flesh, and the devil are gone. There hasn’t been any mention of danger at your door in years.

    If all is well, why bother going to Church?? The war must have been won...right? (Rhetorical question).  

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  • I was passing through NC a few months ago on a Sunday and went to mass in the Charlotte Chapel. I have a question:

    The choir would sing their part properly and then the parishioners would scream their response, they were ridiculously loud as I am a tad hard at hearing and I had to cover my ears. What’s with that?