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SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
« on: September 20, 2019, 08:58:53 PM »
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  •  We see the SSPX using a NO church in India regularly but in Florida the SSPX in Brooksville (near Bishop Sanborn's complex) is offering Mass at a location that is/was a Ukranian Catholic Church.

    http://www.sspxflorida.com/en/our-lady-fatima_brooksville-FL 

    Welcome to Our Lady of Fatima Chapel!
    St. Andrew’s Ukrainian Catholic Church
    8064 Weeping Willow St, Brooksville, FL 34613
    (407) 872-1007


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 09:08:03 PM »
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  • The eastern Catholics and the SSPX BOTH have valid and Traditional masses, so no big news here.   


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 08:42:31 PM »
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  • Nobody is objecting to an SSPX using a Ukrainian Rite chapel, are they?

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 09:04:30 PM »
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  • Nobody is objecting to an SSPX using a Ukrainian Rite chapel, are they?
    I am.
    THE UKRAINIAN Catholics are every bit as conciliar in theology as the FSSP (and quite a bit more so).
    Therefore, nobody should be going to their traditional Mass because of their modernist theology and support of conciliar modernism.
    The SSPX usingvtgeir chapel is just another bridge being built with the conciliar church.
    They are counting on superficial arguments like yours to spread among their people (who want to be lied to): 
    “But it is a traditional Mass!”

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 09:04:56 PM »
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  • I am.

    THE UKRAINIAN Catholics are every bit as conciliar in theology as the FSSP (and quite a bit more so).

    Therefore, nobody should be going to their traditional Mass because of their modernist theology and support of conciliar modernism.

    The SSPX usingvtgeir chapel is just another bridge being built with the conciliar church.

    They are counting on superficial arguments like yours to spread among their people (who want to be lied to):

    “But it is a traditional Mass!”


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 09:07:35 PM »
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  • I am.
    THE UKRAINIAN Catholics are every bit as conciliar in theology as the FSSP (and quite a bit more so).
    Therefore, nobody should be going to their traditional Mass because of their modernist theology and support of conciliar modernism.
    The SSPX usingvtgeir chapel is just another bridge being built with the conciliar church.
    They are counting on superficial arguments like yours to spread among their people (who want to be lied to):
    “But it is a traditional Mass!”
    At least attack me with your actual username up lol.


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 09:12:47 PM »
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  • At least attack me with your actual username up lol.
    Um, you do realize you are in the anonymous sub forum?  😂 

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 09:18:38 PM »
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  • Um, you do realize you are in the anonymous sub forum?  😂
    I'm aware.  I still think its kind of stupid to attack someone annonymously lol.

    At any rate, I'm not anti FSSP, and I've been pretty open about that, but I will say the status of Byzantines is different than that of FSSP for those who doubt the new rites of ordination (which I mostly don't either.)


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 09:35:45 PM »
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  • I'm aware.  I still think its kind of stupid to attack someone annonymously lol.
    In which case, you are a troll: Anyone who attempts to rebut your arguments may only do so at the cost of revealing their identity.
    Go away.

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 11:46:29 PM »
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  • //They are counting on superficial arguments like yours to spread among their people (who want to be lied to): //

    That's a personal attack.  

    And what are you afraid of anyways?

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 09:32:32 PM »
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  • I'm aware.  I still think its kind of stupid to attack someone annonymously lol.

    At any rate, I'm not anti FSSP, and I've been pretty open about that, but I will say the status of Byzantines is different than that of FSSP for those who doubt the new rites of ordination (which I mostly don't either.)
    This is the #1 reason why one should avoid FSSP.  Their ordination is doubtful and the only one who can settle this is a Pope, but good luck getting an answer from a Pope anytime soon.  


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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »
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  • This is the #1 reason why one should avoid FSSP.  Their ordination is doubtful and the only one who can settle this is a Pope, but good luck getting an answer from a Pope anytime soon.  
    Yeah, Byzantines have undoubtedly valid orders, even on Sedevacantist premises.

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2019, 10:53:36 PM »
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  • Is there any evidence that they are interacting in any meaningful way with the "Modernist" Ukrainians?  Unless you have such evidence, there's nothing wrong with using their church.  It's better than renting a hotel room.

    Some Eastern Rite churches have "missions" where they simply use the church building of a Novus Ordo church, say, at 3PM on a Sunday because their congregation is too small to be able to afford/finance.  People go there for their Liturgy at 3PM and then leave.  There's no meaningful interaction between them and the Latin Rite parishioners.

    So, unless you have proof that there's more than this going on, you're just spreading nonsense.

    My experience with Ukrainian Catholics, however, is that the vast majority of them still have the Catholic faith.  They're no more "Modernist" than any typical U.S. Roman Rite parish might have been in the 1940s.  To be frank, very few of them pay much attention to Vatican II.  Do they share some of the same thinking?  Sure, but no more than any liberal pre-Vatican II parish might have.

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2019, 10:56:24 PM »
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  • We see the SSPX using a NO church in India regularly but in Florida the SSPX in Brooksville (near Bishop Sanborn's complex) is offering Mass at a location that is/was a Ukranian Catholic Church.

    http://www.sspxflorida.com/en/our-lady-fatima_brooksville-FL

    Welcome to Our Lady of Fatima Chapel!
    St. Andrew’s Ukrainian Catholic Church
    8064 Weeping Willow St, Brooksville, FL 34613
    (407) 872-1007


    OP, are you trying to recruit for Bishop Sanborn's chapel?

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    Re: SSPX Offering Mass at Eastern Rite Church Regularly?
    « Reply #14 on: September 22, 2019, 11:00:26 PM »
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  • Some Eastern Rite churches have "missions" where they simply use the church building of a Novus Ordo church, say, at 3PM on a Sunday because their congregation is too small to be able to afford/finance.  People go there for their Liturgy at 3PM and then leave.  There's no meaningful interaction between them and the Latin Rite parishioners.

    I looked at the link, and this appears to be EXACTLY the case here.  Just twice a month at 4PM.  So too small to justify a weekly Mass and to afford their own chapel.  Ukrainian Rite churches typically only have morning Liturgies on Sunday, so the odds are that you won't find a Ukrainian Catholic with 25 miles of the place by 4PM on a Sunday afternoon.  Ukrainian Rite chapels are much like Traditional chapels, where most of of those who attend the Liturgy live a decent drive away from the place.