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  • The Transalpine Redemptorists, who once betrayed the SSPX and made a deal with the Conciliar church, and then proceeded to condemn the SSPX as schismatics, are now ironically operating outside the Church in New Zealand, and are officially a schismatic sect according to the way of thinking they adopted after betraying the SSPX. Will they do a 180? Letter from the Conciliar bishop of Christchurch attached. 

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    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2024, 07:48:28 PM »
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  • The tragic blindness of Fr Michael Mary/Fr Gregory Sim.
    In justifying what they were doing when they were reconciled with the Conciliar sect, he said "generations of Traditional Catholics have never known normal diocesan life"... welcome to normal diocesan life, Father, if that is what you call it.
    Obviously, only the return of Rome and the Church throughout the world to Tradition can restore normal diocesan life for any Catholic. Until then, things will be very abnormal, and you won't restore normal by becoming a "Traditional Conciliarist".

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  • The tragic blindness of Fr Michael Mary/Fr Gregory Sim.
    In justifying what they were doing when they were reconciled with the Conciliar sect, he said "generations of Traditional Catholics have never known normal diocesan life"... welcome to normal diocesan life, Father, if that is what you call it.
    Obviously, only the return of Rome and the Church throughout the world to Tradition can restore normal diocesan life for any Catholic. Until then, things will be very abnormal, and you won't restore normal by becoming a "Traditional Conciliarist".

    Well, they had a good run, but it was bound to come to an end, especially with Francis the destroyer. It looks like there will still be a weekly Latin Mass the Christchurch diocese, but it will be celebrated by other priests. Fr. Michael Mary will have to find another diocese that will take them. That might be okay, as long as Francis doesn't find out about it. 

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
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  • The Transalpine Redemptorists, who once betrayed the SSPX and made a deal with the Conciliar church, and then proceeded to condemn the SSPX as schismatics, are now ironically operating outside the Church in New Zealand, and are officially a schismatic sect according to the way of thinking they adopted after betraying the SSPX. Will they do a 180? Letter from the Conciliar bishop of Christchurch attached.

    So they are operating outside of the conciliar church in New Zealand? But the letter is dated July 13 and 14. That's today and yesterday. Since when are they operating outside of the conciliar church? Since today? 


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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
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  • So they are operating outside of the conciliar church in New Zealand? But the letter is dated July 13 and 14. That's today and yesterday. Since when are they operating outside of the conciliar church? Since today?

    Yes, as of today. They will either pack up and leave, losing their main source of income, or they will double down and continue to operate regardless of the bishop. In which case, they will be even more schismatic than the SSPX are in New Zealand. The SSPX are given faculties by the bishops for confessions, marriages etc. I doubt the Redemptorists will be. 

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  • Yes, as of today. They will either pack up and leave, losing their main source of income, or they will double down and continue to operate regardless of the bishop. In which case, they will be even more schismatic than the SSPX are in New Zealand. The SSPX are given faculties by the bishops for confessions, marriages etc. I doubt the Redemptorists will be.

    Why would they be schismatic if they were to operate regardless of the bishop? Do you believe that any traditional group who "operates" without the approval of the diocesan bishop is schismatic? 

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
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  • I hope that they and the SSPXers have actually learned something from this experience.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    I hope that they and the SSPXers have actually learned something from this experience.
    The Transalpine Redemptorists should've learned from the previous 10+ groups who made a deal with rome and got screwed over.  They deserve everything they got.

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  • Betrayal aside, on surface it seems they were under attack from some parties with an ulterior motive.

    Background: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/07/paddy-gower-has-issues-catholic-order-accused-of-abuse-of-power-unauthorised-exorcisms.html

    Response from Fr. Michael Mary during a Sunday sermon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLuioV8-3kk&t=3085s

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2024, 12:01:47 PM »
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  • They were fools to make the deal with the devil when they did -- and this was bound to happen.

    They should have expected this day FROM THE DAY THEY MADE THEIR IMPOSSIBLE DEAL.

    You just can't have "good guys" intending to do good -- under the watchful authority of satanic men. Sure, the latter might permit the good guys to operate, FOR A WHILE, for the satanists' own larger ends -- but it can't go on indefinitely.

    Satan isn't just going to happily watch a group unravel his whole empire, unto utter destruction, nor is a cabal of satanists going to support and sign checks, week in and week out, for a group actively establishing the reign of Christ the King. Just not going to happen.
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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2024, 12:09:07 PM »
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  • With regards to traitors that make a deal with Rome "before the time" --

    There are only TWO possibilities.

    1. The war is actually over, the Modernists and Communists cast out of the Church, and we re in the midst of the Reconstruction and restoration of the Catholic Church's glory. 
    In this scenario, the SSPX is good, all the sellout groups are in the right spot now, the Resistance, independent, and sedevacantist groups are schismatic.

    2. The war continues as fierce as ever. The Modernists and Communists continue to hold all the positions of power in the Catholic hierarchy. The Faithful must continue to Resist in order to keep the Catholic Faith.
    In this scenario, the SSPX and all who made a deal with Rome are literal traitors to the cause of God and the Catholic Faith. The heroes are any Traditional Catholics who stood up to resist Modernism and the new religion.

    Unless you've been ingesting, drinking, and smoking toxic substances for decades to kill far too many of your brain cells, turning you into a "space cadet", I don't see how anyone can look at today's situation and say, "Yes, it's clearly scenario #1 that lines up with reality."

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2024, 12:26:01 PM »
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  • Whatever happened to Bergoglio banning the Tridentine Mass (again) on July 16?
     

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
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  • Whatever happened to Bergoglio banning the Tridentine Mass (again) on July 16?
     

    Um... the 16th isn't here yet. Are you from the future?

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    Re: Transalpine Redemptorists kicked out of New Zealand diocese
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  • Betrayal aside, on surface it seems they were under attack from some parties with an ulterior motive.

    Background: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/07/paddy-gower-has-issues-catholic-order-accused-of-abuse-of-power-unauthorised-exorcisms.html

    Response from Fr. Michael Mary during a Sunday sermon:

    In reading over that article, it seems that exorcisms were performed by The Sons, including Fr. Michael Mary, and that there was something very wrong with how those exorcisms were performed. Even if only half of the allegations are true, there's still a problem.