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SSPX is with Rome
« on: August 11, 2025, 08:24:01 PM »
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  • From an SSPX website.
    "We are a Catholic chapel in union with Rome that maintains the traditions proper to the Roman Rite of the Church."


    Click on the third question and read the first 9 words.

    https://fsspx.today/chapel/ca-arcadia/fsspx-faqs/

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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2025, 08:42:50 PM »
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  • John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #2 on: August 12, 2025, 01:39:33 AM »
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  • Interesting. According to my neighbor who goes to the novus ordo a mile away, the priest has on occasion has announced from the pulpit and it has been in their bulletin, that the SSPX is NOT in union with Rome. St. Mark’s parishioners should NOT attend the masses of the SSPX or CMRI as they do not recognize Leo XIV as Pope and their sacraments are NOT valid.


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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #3 on: August 12, 2025, 04:25:17 AM »
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  • The Novus Ordo is getting worse.  We as Catholics shouldn’t even pray with people who follow different gospel.  


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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #4 on: August 12, 2025, 06:56:46 AM »
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  • Leadership of Sspx should serve God; not man.  

    To be silent to sin and a global sinful gospel is going along with sin.  Thats not Catholic. 

    Everything done gradually because that’s how Satan works. 


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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #5 on: August 12, 2025, 08:32:06 AM »
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  • Interesting. According to my neighbor who goes to the novus ordo a mile away, the priest has on occasion has announced from the pulpit and it has been in their bulletin, that the SSPX is NOT in union with Rome. St. Mark’s parishioners should NOT attend the masses of the SSPX or CMRI as they do not recognize Leo XIV as Pope and their sacraments are NOT valid.
    According to Rome, the sacraments of the SSPX most certainly are valid, though for matrimony, the permission of the bishop must be secured. As to the CMRI, at the very least, their baptisms and Masses would be valid under any circuмstances.  The priest is possibly confusing validity and licitness.

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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #6 on: August 12, 2025, 08:32:56 AM »
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  • Where is the word " ETERNAL" Rome? Even in the following article, the priest only says "Rome". That omission is telling. Abp Lefebvre emphatically spoke of communion with ETERNAL Rome. Modernist Rome is the enemy of the Catholic Church...like pirates who assail a ship, kill and wound the crew, and lo! they have control of the ship. But they are the enemies nevertheless. Distance yourself from this evil bunch. Pirates in designer garb {age}.
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    Unofficial. The theme of the conferences was Episcopal Consecrations.
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    May contain errors. Excerpts: I far as I know this site is not affiliated with SSPX.
    https://riposte-catholique.fr/archives/199629

      "...Several workshops and lectures were held in the Montierchaume school complex (Indre) from 21 to 23 February 2025. 

        The winter University of the Fraternité Saint-Pie X (FSSPX), which met from 21 to 23 February 2025, was the occasion for rich exchanges on certain aspects raised on the history of this priestly fraternity (episcopal consecrations, canonical situation, etc.). It is true that the controversy has a sensitive aspect, even though the lifting of the 2009 excommunications has relegated the issue of the consecrations without a pontifical mandate to the background. In fact, the SSPX finds itself not only in a situation of imperfect communion with Rome – in 2005, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos stressed that “there is a lack of full communion,  a more perfect ... a fuller communion”  - but it even has a “piecemeal” status that allows it to marry or hear confessions with a legitimate jurisdiction from Rome. The Fraternity even has a first instance for judging the conduct of its clerics, the appeal then being lodged before the Roman courts...."

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    ( Jacques-Régis du Cray on Schism). "...Separation from the Church can be a subtle process. Quoting Father Longueval, a Jesuit who had written a treatise on schism, recalled that "the schism is formed when it is not feared". He wanted to demonstrate how the action of Monsignor Lefebvre differed profoundly from all these schismatic movements...

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    Fr. Philippe Toulza.
    ... Fr. Toulza also recalled that priests without jurisdiction have been consecrated, either as an honorary title,  to maintain the memory of a disappeared diocese or to administer the sacrament of confirmation (the auxiliary bishops). He stressed that the mere existence of consecrated bishops without ordinary jurisdiction reveals the character of ecclesiastical right of the papal mandate. Divine right only says that the Pope can concede jurisdiction. The finality of the episcopate is to offer both Order and Confirmation. The apostolic mandate is therefore not required by Divine right: there is no usurpation of the power divinely linked to the Pope.

        There was indeed a consecration without a papal mandate in 1988,... But there is no sin when the action isn't imputable: this is the case when the offender has acted in a state of necessity. The need excuses the blame, the punishment and the excommunication. The fault must not be an offense against the divine law. Fr. Toulza also recalled that the Fraternity submitted to certain acts of ordinary jurisdiction such as indulgences. Certain provisions of the 1983 Code of Canon Law are accepted. And if these provisions are accepted by the Fraternity, it is because it considers Francis to be the legitimate pope.

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        On Sunday, Abbé Emmanuel du Chalard, one of the first priests ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre for the Fraternité Saint-Pie X, enthusiastically, made some suggestions to the audience on how to remain Catholic in the crisis that the Church is going through. He insisted on the attachment of the SSPX towards Rome *,  following their founder, and particularly invited the participants to join the jubilee pilgrimage that the Fraternity organizes at the Tomb of Peter this summer.**  He also emphasized the role of religious communities in the development of apostolates, no work of which could be dispensed with these, and on the involvement of the faithful in all forms of devotion, intellectual or material, in ecclesiastical and religious works.

      In general, these three days devoted to the theme of episcopal consecrations in the SSPX aimed to highlight the validity of the gesture of Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, while recalling that such an act, if it were to be renewed, far from constituting a trivial gesture, should be surrounded by all the prudence and standards of exception which the founder had taken to apply in his time.

    *Original text [ Il a insisté sur l’attachement de la FSSPX à Rome, à la suite de leur fondateur, ...]


    **Pilgrimage to Rome, August 19 - 21, 2025. Their novena to the Immaculate began yesterday. 



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    Re: SSPX is with Rome
    « Reply #9 on: August 13, 2025, 10:37:24 PM »
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  • https://laportelatine.org/activite/pelerinages/rendez-vous-a-rome-video

    Link for a 1 minute Italian language video promoting the neoSspx pilgrimage. Very beautiful churches, clips at high speed showing St Peter's. Online registration is required to enter some churches/events. June was deadline. There are a couple of references to eternal Rome. 

    I forgot about that poster with rainbow coats, ~~walking ~~ on ~~water~~, (St. PETER walked on the sea), deformed cross. 
      See!  this will provide neoSspx with significant media coverage...SSPX listed on the OFFICIAL list of Pilgrimages!  (What did they do to get permission from the Vatican? hmmm... I hope they criticize Vatican II, new Code of Canon law,  new catechisms , new rites, new everything-  in their faces...on prime time TV. )
    Pray.