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    I attended a mass at the SSPX Chapel in Sanford, Florida ( which is the priory for the State) last Sunday wherein the Prior, Fr. Marc Vernoy announced the status of all the chapels in the state, one by one.  His report struck me as very odd, in that  all of the chapels are in a condition of absolute change. To be precise, as I remember, he announced the Miami Chapel was closed down (and sold) and that the Davie chapel (+- 30 miles apart) was being sold and that a new Church would be built in a 4 acre lot they had just bought. He said a church would be built there that was bigger than the Sanford chapel, which was the largest in the state (see picture). He also announced that they were renovating a Protestant church they bought in Palm Beach to replace the chapel which was in Lake Worth. I believe he said that it was also bigger than the chapel in Sanford. Finally if I remember correctly (but I could be wrong) he announced that the chapel in Fort Myers will also be replaced by a new one, also bigger than the Sanford chapel.
    Now, that is a lot of change and all sounds great, under normal circuмstances, however, we are not living in normal circuмstances. The SSPX chapels are currently overflowing with people from the Novus Ordo, currently 2/3’s of the parishioners are Novus Ordo refugees, because their churches were closed. Most importantly, they come because Pope Francis said they could go there. The day that Pope Francis or the local bishops changes their tune, all of those Novus Ordo people will be gone. What is going to happen then with all those ambitious projects? The SSPX faithful may be left out in the street with uncompleted buildings with no occupational licenses.
    Moreover, if the predictions of the anti-vaxer doctors and the anti-NWO Great Reset (totalitarian communism) experts are accurate, there will be buildings empty all over the state as the population is killed off or put out of business. Needless to say, the announcements at this time of so much change in all of the chapels, struck me as surreal, bizarre.


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  • Why can’t they just offer more masses. 


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  • Does the ugly SSPX chapel in Spain look like a traditional Catholic chapel??

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  • If anything, Sspx should sell st judes in eddystone and move to rural southern (republican) New Jersey near where the chapel coordinator and most parishioners live.    It is safer too.   A priest could live in rectory in safety and convenience to administer sacraments to the parishioners. A parish hall could function for Catholic education.  And with enough land, they can host other Catholics that want to tent or rv.  It is also easy access to and from jersey shore.   Also buy land for a cemetery too.  




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  • And who knows?  Maybe the novus ordo will sell off their properties.  Most of the liberals in republican area Vatican II Catholics with many conservative republican Catholics with no where to go. 


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  • If anything, Sspx should sell st judes in eddystone and move to rural southern (republican) New Jersey near where the chapel coordinator and most parishioners live.    It is safer too.  A priest could live in rectory in safety and convenience to administer sacraments to the parishioners. A parish hall could function for Catholic education.  And with enough land, they can host other Catholics that want to tent or rv.  It is also easy access to and from jersey shore.  Also buy land for a cemetery too. 
    Eddystone isn't safe?

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  • Also, it will safe the poor priest traveling to and from Connecticut which is a nightmare. 

    Also, with a truly south jersey chapel there could be freezers and refrigerators to store food for our parishioners with larger families.  


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    I attended a mass at the SSPX Chapel in Sanford, Florida ( which is the priory for the State) last Sunday wherein the Prior, Fr. Marc Vernoy announced the status of all the chapels in the state, one by one.  His report struck me as very odd, in that  all of the chapels are in a condition of absolute change. To be precise, as I remember, he announced the Miami Chapel was closed down (and sold) and that the Davie chapel (+- 30 miles apart) was being sold and that a new Church would be built in a 4 acre lot they had just bought. He said a church would be built there that was bigger than the Sanford chapel, which was the largest in the state (see picture). He also announced that they were renovating a Protestant church they bought in Palm Beach to replace the chapel which was in Lake Worth. I believe he said that it was also bigger than the chapel in Sanford. Finally if I remember correctly (but I could be wrong) he announced that the chapel in Fort Myers will also be replaced by a new one, also bigger than the Sanford chapel.
    Now, that is a lot of change and all sounds great, under normal circuмstances, however, we are not living in normal circuмstances. The SSPX chapels are currently overflowing with people from the Novus Ordo, currently 2/3’s of the parishioners are Novus Ordo refugees, because their churches were closed. Most importantly, they come because Pope Francis said they could go there. The day that Pope Francis or the local bishops changes their tune, all of those Novus Ordo people will be gone. What is going to happen then with all those ambitious projects? The SSPX faithful may be left out in the street with uncompleted buildings with no occupational licenses.
    Moreover, if the predictions of the anti-vaxer doctors and the anti-NWO Great Reset (totalitarian communism) experts are accurate, there will be buildings empty all over the state as the population is killed off or put out of business. Needless to say, the announcements at this time of so much change in all of the chapels, struck me as surreal, bizarre.
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  • You can’t even have procession without being harassed.  Police have to patrol the area.  Surrounded by Moslems.  

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  • Nope.
    I go to the sspx chapel in North New Jersey. Fr. Kevin Robinson is our pastor and he's a good priest, one of the old school sspx priests. I agree that there should be an sspx chapel in South jersey.


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  • If anything, Sspx should sell st judes in eddystone and move to rural southern (republican) New Jersey near where the chapel coordinator and most parishioners live.    It is safer too.  A priest could live in rectory in safety and convenience to administer sacraments to the parishioners. A parish hall could function for Catholic education.  And with enough land, they can host other Catholics that want to tent or rv.  It is also easy access to and from jersey shore.  Also buy land for a cemetery too. 
    Yep.  Also more parking too.  St judes it’s hard to park at times. The parish has outgrown its location. 

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    I attended a mass at the SSPX Chapel in Sanford, Florida ( which is the priory for the State) last Sunday wherein the Prior, Fr. Marc Vernoy announced the status of all the chapels in the state, one by one.  His report struck me as very odd, in that  all of the chapels are in a condition of absolute change. To be precise, as I remember, he announced the Miami Chapel was closed down (and sold) and that the Davie chapel (+- 30 miles apart) was being sold and that a new Church would be built in a 4 acre lot they had just bought. He said a church would be built there that was bigger than the Sanford chapel, which was the largest in the state (see picture). He also announced that they were renovating a Protestant church they bought in Palm Beach to replace the chapel which was in Lake Worth. I believe he said that it was also bigger than the chapel in Sanford. Finally if I remember correctly (but I could be wrong) he announced that the chapel in Fort Myers will also be replaced by a new one, also bigger than the Sanford chapel.
    Now, that is a lot of change and all sounds great, under normal circuмstances, however, we are not living in normal circuмstances. The SSPX chapels are currently overflowing with people from the Novus Ordo, currently 2/3’s of the parishioners are Novus Ordo refugees, because their churches were closed. Most importantly, they come because Pope Francis said they could go there. The day that Pope Francis or the local bishops changes their tune, all of those Novus Ordo people will be gone. What is going to happen then with all those ambitious projects? The SSPX faithful may be left out in the street with uncompleted buildings with no occupational licenses.
    Moreover, if the predictions of the anti-vaxer doctors and the anti-NWO Great Reset (totalitarian communism) experts are accurate, there will be buildings empty all over the state as the population is killed off or put out of business. Needless to say, the announcements at this time of so much change in all of the chapels, struck me as surreal, bizarre.
    same thing where I live...
    perhaps the SSPX is still trying to make themselves more tempting to Rome for NO acceptance...  Money talks.

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  • Thank you for your report.

    Yes, this is NOT the time to be building monuments. Things are worse than they have ever been, INCLUDING the past 50 years of Crisis.

    With regards to the Crisis in the Church and Tradition, in most ways, the 70's and 80's were "the good old days" compared to today.

    Just look at the first 10 years of the SSPX, vs. the first 10 years of the Resistance -- you'll see what I mean. SAME POSITION. But +ABL was living on EASY MODE compared to Bishop Williamson and the other Resistance bishops.

    Imagine if +ABL had to compete with an entrenched FSSP with 550 priests and hundreds of chapels, offering the "Latin Mass" in union with Rome, usually less than 1 hour from most people? The SSPX would never have taken off.
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    Re: SSPX Florida – This is the Time to be Building Monuments?
    « Reply #14 on: November 14, 2021, 10:47:23 AM »
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  • Why can’t they just offer more masses.
    I wish I had more time to research the specifics, with citations, but I don’t.  From what I remember from being a pre VII alter server is a priest could say 2 Masses on a Sunday or Holy Day of Obligation and only 1 Mass on a weekday, unless given a dispensation by his bishop.  For example, where I grew up the parish had a pastor and an associate pastor, and weekday Masses were at 6:30 and 8:00 AM.  If there was a funeral on a given day either the 6:30 AM would  be canceled or the diocesan chancellery would need to be called to obtain the dispensation, which would be pro forma in our diocese (Spokane, WA) but the call still needed to be made in each circuмstance, a “standing dispensation” was not allowed in my understanding.  A similar situation would exist if a parish had a regular Saturday morning Mass and there was to be Nuptial Mass later in the day.  I recall reading that in some parishes (perhaps by diocesan decree?) nuptial and requiem Masses would usually be celebrated at the regular weekday or Saturday Mass, not as a separate event.
     
    As all should know, Christmas and All Souls have three separate Mass propers and I’m thinking on these 2 days only a priest could say 3 Masses without a dispensation.  However, I did see a quick reference that the All Souls day privilege was granted in 1758 by Pope Benedict XIV to the priests of the kingdoms of Spain and Portugal and the privilege does not apply to other territories.
     
    All the above, which again is coming from my memory, was regulated by the 1917 Code of Cannon Law.
     
    Today, under the 1983 Code of Canon Law, Canon 905 appears to permits a priest to celebrate 3 (or even 4, counting the Vigil) Masses per day.  However, once per day is still the norm and the privilege to celebrate more often requires the permission of the Bishop.  Here is an explanation of the current norm: https://radioangelus.com/bishop-osei-bonsu-explains-how-many-times-a-priest-can-say-mass-in-a-day.

    It would be interesting from a liturgical standpoint to see what protocols existed at the time of Trent, but I've not the time nor necessarily the resources to dig that deep.  However, in tradition it has not been any individual priest's prerogative to just go say however many Masses whenever and wherever they like.

    One notes that traditionalist communities may rely on a traveling priest for Mass, which is often said in the afternoon or evening, and that before Holy Communion they only observe a 3 hour fast from food, with water being permitted at any time.  Until Pope Pius XII issued the Apostolic Constitution Christus Dominus (January 6, 1953) Mass was not permitted after noon and from midnight a strict fast from everything including water was required before receiving Holy Communion.  As many traditionalist communities benefit greatly from these pastoral provisions of Pope Pius XII it is surprising how badly His Holiness is spoken of here.

    On the Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass