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Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #225 on: August 07, 2025, 12:54:29 PM »
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  • Wasn’t Fr. Zigrang conditionally ordained or approved by Archbishop LeFebvre?  Either way, I’d not hesitate to approach him. In the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, there were still a number of active priests ordained in the pre-V2 rite, in which case, conditional ordination was not necessary. Today, there are very few such priests still living and active. Maybe Fr. Carley?

    Seraphina, Lad already had Zigrang (name and photo) on the Fake Priests website. So, I assume he had sufficient information to do that. 

    Here is a note about him from the Catholiccandle.org website:

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    Revision date: June 9, 2025


    So-called “Father” Stephen Zigrang
    Catholic Candle lacks specific information about so-called “Father” Zigrang. However, Catholic
    Candle correspondents have told us that he is a conciliar “ordinand” from the Houston/Galvaston
    diocese. In January 2007, he was at the SSPX “House of Studies”. In May 2014, he was asked if
    he was conditionally ordained since he came to tradition, and he simply answered “no”.

    But if you could contact him and clear up the confusion, that would be great.

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #226 on: August 07, 2025, 08:08:44 PM »
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  • Seraphina, Lad already had Zigrang (name and photo) on the Fake Priests website. So, I assume he had sufficient information to do that.

    Here is a note about him from the Catholiccandle.org website:

    But if you could contact him and clear up the confusion, that would be great.
    Sorry, I must have been thinking of somebody else. The priest I had in mind could not have been in the House of Studies in 2007. He isn’t from the US and the age is entirely wrong. Even the n.o. doesn’t “ordain” grammar school boys!  


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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #227 on: August 08, 2025, 07:39:19 AM »
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  • Yes, so those on the list were put together by a combination of Catholic Candle postings (adding pictures in some cases) as well as various reports and tips that have been posted here or else sent to me by private message.

    While it's possible that the statuses of some have been reported incorrectly or else their situation had been remediated after some "investigation", the SSPX have put these priests and themselves due to their insistence that the NO Rites are valid combined with the fact that they keep the ordination statuses of various "priests" a closely-guarded secret that evidently the faithful do not "need to know", since, as Fr. Paul Robinson priest-splained to us, we are to simply trust their judgment.

    I'd like nothing more than to hear that such-and-such a priest has been conditionally ordained and for the list to ultimately go empty.  In fact, the goal of this site is precisely to render itself defunct and obsolete.

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    Lefebvre ordained Cottard in the new rite?
    « Reply #228 on: August 09, 2025, 10:36:44 PM »
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  • Open letter to Father Benoît de Jorna […] It is so true that Archbishop Lefebvre himself conferred ordination in Fontgombault - under the constraint of the master of ceremonies of the abbey - Father Jean-Yves Cottard, according to the new rite.
    Is this true?

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    Re: Lefebvre ordained Cottard in the new rite?
    « Reply #229 on: August 09, 2025, 11:27:14 PM »
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  • Is this true?
    This refers to a French video because it has a TimeStamp...I'll look Sunday...

    https://www.leforumcatholique.org/message.php?num=899184

    Goog le translate  may contain errors.

    "...I was referring to the claim made by the monks of the Cistercian Abbey of Hauterive, reported by Abbot Fabrice Loiseau (see HERE at 27:56), that Archbishop Lefebvre had concelebrated the NOM with the community in the early 1970s.

    The ordination celebrated at Fontgombault Abbey by Archbishop Lefebvre using the new ordination rite was that of Abbot Cottard.

    These facts are not insignificant when one considers the prelate's subsequent statements on the liturgical question.

    If Archbishop L. denied or forgot these facts (as was the case with his signature to Dignitatis Humanae—according to Archbishop Tissier—), it would be the word of one against that of dozens of monks..."


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    The following sentence should be after the 2023 quote: "...He only then proceeded to give the supplements lacking to the ceremony..."


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    Re: Lefebvre ordained Cottard in the new rite?
    « Reply #230 on: August 10, 2025, 08:40:37 PM »
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  • This refers to a French video because it has a TimeStamp...I'll look Sunday...

    https://www.leforumcatholique.org/message.php?num=899184



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    I just now posted, in "Members Only Board", a short translation of the interview on YouTube that deals with + Lefebvre. Title: Fr. Fabrice Loiseau. 

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #231 on: August 12, 2025, 01:58:50 PM »
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  • Must priests who come to Tradition be re-ordained?

    This article by Fr. Peter Scott first appeared in the September 2007 issue of The Angelus magazine.


    https://sspx.org/en/must-priests-who-come-tradition-be-re-ordained-30479

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #232 on: Yesterday at 08:54:43 PM »
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  • Must priests who come to Tradition be re-ordained?

    This article by Fr. Peter Scott first appeared in the September 2007 issue of The Angelus magazine.


    https://sspx.org/en/must-priests-who-come-tradition-be-re-ordained-30479

    So, that's one reason that one of the brightest minds in SSPX has been relegated to a mud hut in Nigeria, and not only that, as an "assistant priest", not even the Prior there.

    I'll nevertheless have to disagree with much of his rationale here, where he concludes things like ...
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    If it cannot be said, as with Anglican orders, that the Novus Ordo rite was changed with the manifest intention of rejecting a sacrificing priesthood, nevertheless the deliberate exclusion of the notion of propitiation, in order to please Protestants, could easily be considered as casting a doubt on the intention of doing what the Church does, namely of offering a true and propitiatory sacrifice. Of course, this doubt would not exist if the ordaining bishop had indicated otherwise his truly Catholic intention of doing what the Church does.

    Why, Father Scott, "cannot [that] be said"?  I think it's quite clear that it's PRECISELY why they were doing that, excising every single reference to the power of the priest to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, not even leaving one reference behind by accident?  In fact, many of the Deformers of the Catholic Rites publicly ADMITTED that it was their intention with both the Mass and the Orrders to make them non-offensive to Prots, i.e. to make them "in many ways to suit the errors of the reformers" ) [Apostolicae Curae 30].  Father should have quoted the entire thing.  Notice that Leo XIII didn't even say the Anglicans were "rejecting a sacrificing priesthood" (as Father Scott falsely puts in the mind of Pope Leo), when Pope Leo actually said that they were merely attempting to SUIT the "errors of the reformers".  How is that not exactly what the Conciliar Deformers were doing?

    So, yes, Father, it absolutely CAN be said that this was their INTENTION, and again, the intention as manifest in the external forum, by what they DID, not what they may or may not have intended in the internal forum.

    This was consistent with the SSPX "have your cake and eat it too" theology, where they wanted to regularly do conditionals, perhaps because they knew the faithful would not accept anything else and keep donating, but without then having to fight off the attacks from the SVs about the legitimacy of the V2 papal claimants.  It's just like with the FrankenChurch theology of "Eternal Rome" and "Modernist Rome" ... where they could have their pope and eat him too, technical have a guy was was part "Eternal Pope" (whom they could pay lip service to and put up pictures of in their vestibules, so as not to scare off new visitors and contributors to their collections, and part "Modernist Pope" (that they could rip to pieces and justify their whole apostolate).


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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #233 on: Yesterday at 08:59:30 PM »
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  • While we should not diminish the value of the souls in Lagos, this is where Father heads up a chapel in Lagos, Nigeria, as an assistant priest to some young +Fellay yes man at the nearby priory ...


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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #234 on: Today at 12:36:57 AM »
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  • While we should not diminish the value of the souls in Lagos, this is where Father heads up a chapel in Lagos, Nigeria, as an assistant priest to some young +Fellay yes man at the nearby priory ...


    Haven't they done the same with Fr. Chazal? I mean, putting him as far away as possible, both from his own culture and geographically? But it kind of backfired, since he became one of the leading voices of the Resistance and seems to be doing a great job among the people there.

    Some of these priests transfers are kind of cruel. I don't really see how the priest or the faithful profit from such extreme differences. A goodwilling local priest could probably do a better job, since he would not spend so much time and energy learning the languages and cultures. As far as I know, before the Vatican II, a religious would not be transfered to a different district if the did not agree with the transfer. No such privilege in the SSPX.

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #235 on: Today at 11:35:54 AM »
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  • So, that's one reason that one of the brightest minds in SSPX has been relegated to a mud hut in Nigeria, and not only that, as an "assistant priest", not even the Prior there.
    I've noticed this with the SSPX. All of the priors were ordained in the 2010s, while all the "veteran" priests are left to be "assistants"... or even worse, as you say, sent to some foreign country. 
    In fact, I know the prior in Nicholville, NY was ordained and only one or two years later made prior.

    As we all probably know, Fr. McFarland, who is the vocations director, has some strange ideas on the nature of sacerdotal vocations. I'm not sure why they put the "working out" or "buff" priest to be the vocations director. It would make sense to have a more intelligent man fill that position, no? 
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