Nor is it "our affair" only when the SSPX try to impose fake priests on the consciences of the faithful, you pernicious dirtbag...Your spew filthy and disgusting lies, error, and distortions with every sentence ... and are scuм, hiding in Anonymity.  Get lost, you turd.

Hit a nerve did we sweetpea?

Not surprised.  Boru is a whirlwind liberal.  

Hit a nerve did we sweetpea?

Absolutely, buddy.  When people engage in malicious lying and gaslighting and other forms of dishonesty, that will be called out in a very direct and aggressive manner.  If you can't take it, snowflake, then stop lying.  You should see some of the call-outs made by St. Jerome against the heretics in his day ... as they make my language look rather tame.  But there's absolutely no need to be "gentle" and "nithe", as Bishop Williamson used to mock it ... when combatting error.  When one is "too nice", that actually gives the impression that the error are "no big deal" and "just your opinion".  Sometimes it's necessary to elevate the rhetoric in order to make it clear how serious a matter this is.

Those in SSPX, and those like yourself, who try to impose your private judgments on the consciences of others are committing grave, damnable offenses against souls, who are being subjected (quite possibly) to invalid Sacraments, and there's absolutely NO justification for it, since a simple conditional ordination would take care of the problem.  In other words, you and your ilk are potentially sacrificing souls at the altar of your political games, and it's utterly despicable, and you deserve much stronger language than what I put there in that post.

I have no problems with honest, sincere arguments ... but the crap you and many of the other trolls on this thread are spewing, is nothing but a pack of lies ... as are the general "arguments" made by SSPX.

That's precisely the need for this site.

My contribution:

Fr. Reinaldo Barbosa.

Currently in the Autonomous House of Brazil headquarters, in Aruja, near Sao Paulo, Brazil.



Here he is on the right side of the picture:


Fr. Fernando Cesar Pereira.

Currently in the priory of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

On the foreground:

Thank you for the additional tips.  This is what I was hoping for here on this thread.

Now, here's the thing too.  If we can get these men conditionally ordained by putting some heat on SSPX, we're also doing them a service.  That's one of the most pernicious part of this whole thing.  I actually feel "sorry" for these men, and would prefer not to do this.  Except we don't operate on FEEWINGS (again, Bishop Williamson).  I might feel sorry for my child if he cries when I take away a 5-pound bag of candy he's sitting there eating, but it's for his own good.  Similarly, my desire for these men is that, if it's God's will, they be ordained true Catholics priests.

SSPX are doing what they're doing for NO GOOD MOTIVE.  There's NO GOOD REASON to have adopted the position they're taking and then trying to impose on everyone else's consciences.  CHARITY (not feewings) for the faithful and for these putative priests requires that they take the few minutes required (after sufficiently vetting them and retraining as necessary) to perform a conditional ordination.

So, the sooner they admit their true motivations, to keep on good terms with the Modernists, the sooner we'll make some headway.

Absolutely, buddy.  When people engage in malicious lying and gaslighting and other forms of dishonesty, that will be called out in a very direct and aggressive manner.  If you can't take it, snowflake, then stop lying.  You should see some of the call-outs made by St. Jerome against the heretics in his day ... as they make my language look rather tame.  But there's absolutely no need to be "gentle" and "nithe", as Bishop Williamson used to mock it ... when combatting error.  When one is "too nice", that actually gives the impression that the error are "no big deal" and "just your opinion".  Sometimes it's necessary to elevate the rhetoric in order to make it clear how serious a matter this is.

So, this is actually a much broader question that Bishop Williamson was very much attuned to, where modern culture requires that we all be "nithe" and not "offend" and "hurt feewings" of people ... and not being nice is the worse possible thing you can do.

Take that in conjunction with people not thining heresy is a "big deal" or other forms of error, where souls are being harmed.

So let's be "nithe" to the sodomites who predate upon children and destroy minds, hearts, and souls ... or to the heretics who destroy souls in their own way.

There's some dialectic here between the elevation of "nitheness" and the relativism / subjectivizing of truth and the notion that ideas don't matter, and it's no big deal if you're a heretic, since as long as you're a nice person, you'll be saved, and your truth is as true as someone else's.

This infection of the mind ... and Bishop Williamson did a splendid job of calling it out ... has done so much damage.  So, the Church Fathers were absolutely outraged by errors and heresies that were far more subtle that what Bergoglio did and Prevost does on a daily basis.  In fact, the HERETICS of their day would have considered Bergoglio and Prevost to be apostates.  Heck, Luther would consider them apostates were he alive today.  But the fact that we can continue to claim that these guys, guilty of egregious heresy and even apostasy ... can remain Catholics and popes, that actually shows that our faith has been weakened by the culture of "nitheness".  In the early centuries of the Church, and even though the late Middle Ages, someone spewing Bergoglio's heresies would have been dragged by a lynch mob of faithful Catholics into the town square and set ablaze.

I don’t know if this counts since he wouldn’t be an SSPX priest but if I remember correctly a couple of years ago fr. Robert Morey, a NO priest, visited the SSPX chapel in Charlotte NC, and I’m not aware if he’s “helping” the SSPX but he’s still part of the Diocese in Charleston in SC. He could potentially be another name to add to the list.

Thank you.  If there's a chance he might show up at an SSPX chapel and catch the faithful unawares, we can put him on the list.

So, one of the little pieces of gaslighting they are doing is to blame these questions about the new Rites on "sedevacantists".  I can assure you that a significant number of non-SVs have questions about the New Rites.  I know an independent priest who considers them to be downright invalid, and he's no sedevacantist.  Several of the Resistance priests also question the Orders.  AND, when our independent priest was sick, every week I would get questions from half his chapel (non of the ones asking me being sedevacantists) to find out which priest was coming in and whether he was validly ordained (at least conditionally).

Just in that particular chapel alone I saw first-hand the consternation it was creating for the consciences of the (non-sedevacantist) faithful, and it's absolutely unconscionable for SSPX to just tell them to shut up and accept their decision ... when of course they disobey the man they hold to be the Vicar of Christ, and then say we must trust the men who became priests and bishops, considering those priests and bishops who hold the opposite view to be chopped liver I guess.

It's clear what's going on and why they're doing it.  It's not some matter of principle or Catholic Sacramental theology.  It's purely political, and they're willing to sacrifice souls to impose their opinion.

Lad,

You need to add John Fewell to your list. He was trained by Fr. Paul Robinson, after joining the SSPX from the Novus Ordo. He is currently stationed in Dickinson, TX and is the "pastor" of the SSPX chapel in New Orleans. He is the man on the front row all the way to the right of the photo. So the Dickinson priory now has two Novus Ordo presbyters: Stephen Zigrang (back row second from left) and John Fewell (who arrived there last year).

Wasn’t Fr. Zigrang conditionally ordained or approved by Archbishop LeFebvre?  Either way, I’d not hesitate to approach him. In the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, there were still a number of active priests ordained in the pre-V2 rite, in which case, conditional ordination was not necessary. Today, there are very few such priests still living and active. Maybe Fr. Carley?

Lad,

You need to add John Fewell to your list. He was trained by Fr. Paul Robinson, after joining the SSPX from the Novus Ordo. He is currently stationed in Dickinson, TX and is the "pastor" of the SSPX chapel in New Orleans. He is the man on the front row all the way to the right of the photo. So the Dickinson priory now has two Novus Ordo presbyters: Stephen Zigrang (back row second from left) and John Fewell (who arrived there last year).

Was the dog properly trained in Tradition? Or is it a Novus Ordo canine?