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Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:57:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 03:16:12 PM
    I'm not arguing what the SSPX is doing, although you are wrong on some of your points. 
    So based on all that, you figure that those points justifies you putting a satanic NO priest as being representative of the SSPX? It's a terrible, even scandalous first impression on newbies.
     
    Since when have two wrongs made a right? 
    :facepalm:  A doubtful priest is treated as a fake priest, so says canon law.  A doubtful priest is = a novus ordo priest.  That's why there's a picture of a novus ordo "priest" mocking the mass.

    This is not about slamming the sspx.  This is about having 'morally certain' sacraments.

    Anyone who goes to confession to a doubtful priest DOES NOT RECEIVE ABSOLUTION, so says canon law.  To get absolution, you would have to re-confess your sins to a VALID priest.  You get the problem now?
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    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:14:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 02:41:25 PM
    Let's make it clearer (in case you don't know):

    1.  The new-sspx is accepting novus ordo priests (i.e. have been ordained in the 'new rites').  Just like they accepted "bishop" Huonder.
    2.  The new-sspx is NOT conditionally ordaining these "priests". 
    3.  The new rites are doubtfully valid.  These "priests" are doubtful. 
    4.  Canon Law prohibits using/saying/attending doubtful masses/sacraments under penalty of mortal sin (i.e. except in danger of death).
    5.  Anyone who accepts or attends masses/sacraments of doubtful priests commits a grave sin (if there's not a danger of death).
    6.  The new-sspx is committing grave sins by introducing doubtful priests into their chapels.
    7.  These doubtful priests also have doubtful seminary training and doubtful views on Tradition and doctrine, being they were trained in the novus ordo.
    8.  This site is meant to identify such doubtful priests so that Trads can avoid them and also to obey canon law, and avoid grave sins.
    You have made a lot of statements. Firstly, the Resistance has also accepted Novus Ordo clerics; one of which has a background in child abuse and was officially laicized. He was put on the traditional circuit here in Ireland by Bishop Ballini only three months after his liacization as a Novus Order deacon. It isn't just a SSPX problem; Novus Order priests coming into the Resistance also needs to be monitored and checked out too. Secondly, are you certain that the SSPX are not conditionally ordaining these priests? Word on the ground is that they are, but keeping it very low key. I agree it is a worry - I would certainly be nervous of a Novus Ordo priest with regards to background and training, but I'm curious as to why you are so adamant that they are not conditionally ordaining them. More info?
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    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 04:56:21 PM »
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    • I’d you had read the whole thread, this list is meant to identify ALL problematic priests, in any group.  The sspx is notorious for *sometimes* conditionally ordaining and sometimes not.  If they do so, they need to publish it publicly.  If they do not, then we need to avoid.  Same goes for the Resistance and any Sede group.  The sspx is being criticized more, because they are actively recruiting dubious priests, so the threat is greater.  
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    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 05:07:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 04:14:25 PM
    You have made a lot of statements. Firstly, the Resistance has also accepted Novus Ordo clerics; one of which has a background in child abuse and was officially laicized. He was put on the traditional circuit here in Ireland by Bishop Ballini only three months after his liacization as a Novus Order deacon. It isn't just a SSPX problem; Novus Order priests coming into the Resistance also needs to be monitored and checked out too. Secondly, are you certain that the SSPX are not conditionally ordaining these priests? Word on the ground is that they are, but keeping it very low key. I agree it is a worry - I would certainly be nervous of a Novus Ordo priest with regards to background and training, but I'm curious as to why you are so adamant that they are not conditionally ordaining them. More info?
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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 05:16:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 04:14:25 PM
    You have made a lot of statements. Firstly, the Resistance has also accepted Novus Ordo clerics; one of which has a background in child abuse and was officially laicized. He was put on the traditional circuit here in Ireland by Bishop Ballini only three months after his liacization as a Novus Order deacon. It isn't just a SSPX problem; Novus Order priests coming into the Resistance also needs to be monitored and checked out too. Secondly, are you certain that the SSPX are not conditionally ordaining these priests? Word on the ground is that they are, but keeping it very low key. I agree it is a worry - I would certainly be nervous of a Novus Ordo priest with regards to background and training, but I'm curious as to why you are so adamant that they are not conditionally ordaining them. More info?

    I have posted elsewhere a priest who has left the SSPX in January 2025 saying that they are not conditionally ordaining.

    If you are in Ireland, be careful, as I have heard that a certain Novus Ordo priest Fr. O'Riley went to Ireland to be integrated into the SSPX ranks. He is Irish and was working as a conservative priest who had friendly relations with the SSPX in Brazil.

    In my opinion, we should research each and every priest. Gone are the days when we could trust groups.
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    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 06:24:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 03:16:12 PM
    I'm not arguing what the SSPX is doing, although you are wrong on some of your points. 
    So based on all that, you figure that those points justifies you putting a satanic NO priest as being representative of the SSPX? It's a terrible, even scandalous first impression on newbies.
     
    Since when have two wrongs made a right?

     
     
    Are you Jєωιѕн? You're twisting words similar to modern media figures.  SSPX policies do not protect the Faithful from the one thing that started the Resistance to the novel modernist changes.  Humble clergy finding the true Church and sacraments  would insist on sacraments clarity. 
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    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 06:41:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on Yesterday at 05:16:29 PM
    I have posted elsewhere a priest who has left the SSPX in January 2025 saying that they are not conditionally ordaining.

    If you are in Ireland, be careful, as I have heard that a certain Novus Ordo priest Fr. O'Riley went to Ireland to be integrated into the SSPX ranks. He is Irish and was working as a conservative priest who had friendly relations with the SSPX in Brazil.

    In my opinion, we should research each and every priest. Gone are the days when we could trust groups.
    Thanks for this. I'm from Ireland and I intend to inquire about this.
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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 07:35:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 06:41:30 PM
    Thanks for this. I'm from Ireland and I intend to inquire about this.
    You are welcome.

    Here is a video, so you can recognize him:

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    « Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 07:57:51 PM »
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    • https://fsspx.ie/en/dublin-headquarters-31790

    There is a Fr.  O'Reily on the Irish Web site.
    See att.screen shot.

    This is sort of bittersweet development.  It's great when Novus Ordo 'priests' discover tradition...but the downside is: 1)  are they validly ordained?
    2) what can they preach about re. DOCTRINE? Are they deprogramed from NO heresies, and who instructs them in the Tradition with pure truth. ?

    Remember Abbé Molinié, SSPX promoting his book " The Courage to be Afraid."? ..but he was a NO  clergy... Shouldn't the Angelus Press stay clear of conservative Novusordites? Can't they stick with Timehonored Catholic writers / saints? 
    I have the list of about 400  French sermons, conferences etc. By + Marcel Lefebvre...where are their translators? Glorious talks about Our Lady, like superlative contemplation, but, oh! they are Copyrighted...collecting dust  *  *  '  "
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