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Re: SSPX Fake Priests
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2025, 10:55:44 AM »
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  • ok got it.
    So lets be accountable to modernists. Thats what you're suggesting.
    :facepalm:

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    « Reply #91 on: August 01, 2025, 10:57:32 AM »
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  • Which Holy See? The modernist Holy See or the Catholic one?
    There is only one. Flawed evil men run the true Church. Of that there is no doubt. Neither should there be doubt that God is in control and turning evil to good.  


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    « Reply #92 on: August 01, 2025, 10:58:57 AM »
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  • Ummm.. :confused::confused::confused::confused:


    This is all over the place....
    It's straight up Scripture alley. What is your issue with it?  One at a time, please. 

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    « Reply #93 on: August 01, 2025, 11:04:19 AM »
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  • The resistance is absolutely conditionally ordaining.

    Whoever said that is an sspx simp and spy.


    No, no, what the resistance clergy and some bishops are doing is imposing ridiculous conditions on novus ordo priests converting. Bundling  "working" with them with conditional ordination.  Confusing the two.

    A priest coming from the novus ordo should be given conditional ordination, with very few questions. After that they should be talked to informally first, to make them at ease, just to see how much they know and what gaps in their formation they have. Our Bishops need to be more pragmatic, and less autistically scruplous or narcisstic.

    I know of at least two resistance Bishops turning priests off from coming to the resistance. You know who you are, and you should be ashamed of yourselves, your excellencies.
    A priest coming from the Novus Ordo should NOT be given conditional ordination until (a) A complete background check is done and (b) he has proven himself to be dedicated to the traditional cause with the capacity to exercise his ministry with wisdom and humility. The Resistance bishops need to be even more careful because there is no other accountability. Bishop Ballini and Bishop Morgan decision to put Kerry Moran on the Resistance circuit a mere three months after he was formerly liaised for child abuse - for the sake of having an extra priest, is indefensible. Kerry Moran, not only was officially laicised by the Church, he also had a history - spanning twenty years - of same said accusations. He had no proper training, no proper understanding of being a traditional priest, and he was introduced under a cloak of secrecy which, despite Resistance faithful begging for answers, has still not been clarified or explained by Bishop Morgan.

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #94 on: August 01, 2025, 11:16:01 AM »
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  • ok got it.
    So lets be accountable to modernists. Thats what you're suggesting.
    I take it by this comment is that you do not hold with Archbishop Lefebrve's position; that you do not recognize the authority of the Catholic Church at all.  So who are you accountable to? And do you think it wise to dismiss the ruling of a child abuse case? Do you think it acceptable to introduce a Novus Ordo deacon and put him on the MASS circuit three months after meeting him? Would you not call this Modernist in its very essence?


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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #95 on: August 01, 2025, 11:19:46 AM »
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  • :facepalm:
    The Church doesn't teach error.
    Vatican 2 taught error
    Vatican 2 changed the ESSENTIAL form for consecration for Bishops
    Vatican 2 changed the rite for Priests with the same issue that the Anglican rite had, which rite was already condemned by the Church so we can judge it by the same standard since it has the same problem.

    Use your brain here. Logically consistency isn't difficult, unless you are a woman.
    Everything I wrote is Scriptural and true. And if you are Catholic, you should recognize it.

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    « Reply #96 on: August 01, 2025, 11:22:28 AM »
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    Subject to the modernists not lock step with them. If you ever read St. Teresa Avila's book you'd know that her confessor gave her the wrong advice.  He told her that her spiritual experiences were from the devil. Her confessor told to shake her finger at apparitions and walk away.  Her confessor was wrong.  She was indeed visited by Our Lord and others from heaven. St. Teresa was confused, but obeyed. Jesus commended her obedience and told her that she did the right thing. Then Our Lord told her that He would change her confessor's mind in the future. Obedience is first. Not actually to the wrong, but to the authority. No one has to sin in obeying. (Or if they do, don't do it) We don't have to be a gαy couple and get ourselves blessed. We don't have to believe in global warming or cooling or agree with Agenda 30We don't even have to go to the NO. Go to Latin Mass. However, to continue wailing against what is clearly a step stool for people in modern society to even enter the Church and later to reach higher levels, is wrong. Many NO's have been given a pew in the Catholic Church that thankfully, is not Islam and not Protestantism. God has reached down to pick up those who haven't got much of a clue but are too immersed in the world to recognize the good that could be. Many NO's have moved up since Covid and come to the Latin Mass.  Clearly Covid was a bad thing. But God brings good out of bad and it starts somewhere.

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #97 on: August 01, 2025, 11:41:56 AM »
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  • Subject to the modernists not lock step with them. If you ever read St. Teresa Avila's book you'd know that her confessor gave her the wrong advice.  He told her that her spiritual experiences were from the devil. Her confessor told to shake her finger at apparitions and walk away.  Her confessor was wrong.  She was indeed visited by Our Lord and others from heaven. St. Teresa was confused, but obeyed. Jesus commended her obedience and told her that she did the right thing. Then Our Lord told her that He would change her confessor's mind in the future. Obedience is first. Not actually to the wrong, but to the authority. No one has to sin in obeying. (Or if they do, don't do it) We don't have to be a gαy couple and get ourselves blessed. We don't have to believe in global warming or cooling or agree with Agenda 30. We don't even have to go to the NO. Go to Latin Mass. However, to continue wailing against what is clearly a step stool for people in modern society to even enter the Church and later to reach higher levels, is wrong. Many NO's have been given a pew in the Catholic Church that thankfully, is not Islam and not Protestantism. God has reached down to pick up those who haven't got much of a clue but are too immersed in the world to recognize the good that could be. Many NO's have moved up since Covid and come to the Latin Mass.  Clearly Covid was a bad thing. But God brings good out of bad and it starts somewhere.
    I cautiously agree; there has to be a physical and visible presence. Otherwise we become just another protestant (I protest!) denomination. I take then it you are advocating the Recognise & Resist position? And if so, where do you stand on re-ordinations?


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    « Reply #98 on: August 01, 2025, 12:39:06 PM »
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  • I cautiously agree; there has to be a physical and visible presence. Otherwise we become just another protestant (I protest!) denomination. I take then it you are advocating the Recognise & Resist position? And if so, where do you stand on re-ordinations?
    Yes, you're right, the visible Church is one hallmark of unity and authenticity. R and R appears to be the correct category, such as it is. I have plenty of beefs with various groups, even individuals in mine, but I remain open to most as long as they are Catholic because I know that everybody has people telling them various erroneous things, sometimes with good intentions. The point is, the individual is responsible for his own salvation, so none of us can go around dictating or condemning. The Church is the answer. Not some bishop. Not some priest. And certainly not the laity. It's the Creed, the Sacraments, the Rosary, the Scapular and the Doctrines that define the Catholic Church. Just because chaos ensues doesn't mean anyone should leave or condemn as if they were judge and jury of this debacle. It takes every second of everyday to fix oneself, there's no time to make enemies of possible allies. People need to clean up their own act and proceed with the love that Christ showed sinners. Condemning or causing division is counterproductive and we need every last man because we're at war against a monster. 

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    « Reply #99 on: August 01, 2025, 12:40:23 PM »
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  • The reason you call this rubbish is because you don't know Scripture or the ways of God. You think you're better than the souls "poor in spirit", better than the Church and better than God. You judge people, the Church and even God Himself because you refuse to understand God's ways.   
    Indult alert!  Indult alert!  Beware all Trads!  Compromised thinking above!!

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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #100 on: August 01, 2025, 12:42:21 PM »
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  • Vatican II really didn't teach error, it appeared to teach error, because the Church, in practice, cannot teach error. I'm not talking about what the skanks did with VII to promote clown masses and apostasy, etc. Yea, they left the door open (and pushed) for bad stuff, but that's on them and on anyone falling for bad stuff. It is not the Church's fault for lowering the bar for the least person to enter. God permitted that because He's good. It only appears to be error without being error.  Just like the Orthodox could not understand the filioque. They fell away. They thought they knew better than the pope, so they shouted "heresy!" and dumped the pope. Lesson number 1:They were wrong, just like those self righteously claiming heresy on VII. The Orthodox didn't have to agree with the pope or bishops, just submit to the See. And look, that pope was right, the dissenters were wrong. It only appeared VII changed the essential form for consecration of bishops. That was never really ironed out historically, leaving room for the changes because God is smarter than you. We also know it's true because the Church is the Church and you're not. The difference between the Great Schism and now is the new rite is practiced and maintained by the See. The Church didn't do that, didn't practice without the filioque. She also did not do that for Anglicans. No doubt God is obtaining good from this because that's what he does. God brings good out of evil. I haven't much liked it either but I can see the wide-open gates of God's mercy. He's practically begging those outside to come into the Church. God lowered the bar almost absurdly low, below what *you* think it should be, but without doing wrong, just permitting wrong. God did this in order to save souls in this modern world, teaching the laity that while the rules still matter, He thirsts for souls. Like those that came in at the end of the day in Scripture and got the same wage. It's God's business. The only way to get to heaven is by obedience, meekness, being poor in spirit, hungering for righteousness, not demanding it from others or from God, and being a peacemaker not a troublemaker. Fix yourself first, then go fix the Church the minute you're perfect. You don't have time to try to fix anything else. Now, you don't have to believe this, although it's Scriptural and historically accurate, but it does prove that your doubt is only negative. God's way is another option you never considered. 
    :laugh1:  Your mind is as muddled as V2.  Pray more; think less.  


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    Re: SSPX Fake Priests
    « Reply #101 on: August 01, 2025, 01:27:24 PM »
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  • Yes, you're right, the visible Church is one hallmark of unity and authenticity. R and R appears to be the correct category, such as it is. I have plenty of beefs with various groups, even individuals in mine, but I remain open to most as long as they are Catholic because I know that everybody has people telling them various erroneous things, sometimes with good intentions. The point is, the individual is responsible for his own salvation, so none of us can go around dictating or condemning. The Church is the answer. Not some bishop. Not some priest. And certainly not the laity. It's the Creed, the Sacraments, the Rosary, the Scapular and the Doctrines that define the Catholic Church. Just because chaos ensues doesn't mean anyone should leave or condemn as if they were judge and jury of this debacle. It takes every second of everyday to fix oneself, there's no time to make enemies of possible allies. People need to clean up their own act and proceed with the love that Christ showed sinners. Condemning or causing division is counterproductive and we need every last man because we're at war against a monster.
    Again, cautiously, I agree with the premise of what you are outlining - except I get the impression that you do not hold with the decisions of Archbishop Lefebvre? Am I wrong? Not an attack. Simple question. Also, what are your thoughts on conditional ordinations? Again, genuine question, in keeping with the topic of the thread.

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    « Reply #102 on: August 01, 2025, 01:32:46 PM »
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  • Indult alert!  Indult alert!  Beware all Trads!  Compromised thinking above!!
    How insecure are you? If you have a sound counter argument, let's hear it. But stop with the childish dramatics.

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    « Reply #103 on: August 01, 2025, 03:24:03 PM »
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  • Again, cautiously, I agree with the premise of what you are outlining - except I get the impression that you do not hold with the decisions of Archbishop Lefebvre? Am I wrong? Not an attack. Simple question. Also, what are your thoughts on conditional ordinations? Again, genuine question, in keeping with the topic of the thread.
    One could argue that the visible church are all the Trad chapels in the world.  The true Catholics were that small during Arianism.  There’s nothing revealed by God that says the Church can’t be minimized to a few 1,000 people.  Those that followed Christ to Calvary were only a handful.  

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    « Reply #104 on: August 01, 2025, 03:35:32 PM »
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  • Again, cautiously, I agree with the premise of what you are outlining - except I get the impression that you do not hold with the decisions of Archbishop Lefebvre? Am I wrong? Not an attack. Simple question. Also, what are your thoughts on conditional ordinations? Again, genuine question, in keeping with the topic of the thread.
    Why do you think I don't agree with him? Archbishop Lefebvre was a giant, an incredible voice for the Latin mass, for tradition, for Our Lord. I appreciate what he did for Catholics then and now. He made mistakes, we all do. I think conditional ordinations may be necessary for some guys coming from non-Catholic backgrounds. Broad spectrum re ordinations? Stop and think about that. Who would trust the sacraments ever again? If every few years usurpers convinced people that their sacraments are invalid because there are no real priests and sacraments are not valid. What if is demonic. People already lost trust and are disillusioned about what is and what isn't. Many Catholics don't even go to mass because they think there is no visible Church anymore. It should be obvious that the sacraments do not depend on good men, just ordained men. The Church is extremely generous with the sacraments which means all those bishops of VII, mostly not good guys, were true bishops, because they were consecrated by true bishops. Even if they were apostates. Why? Because that's how it works. Even Orthodox priests confect a true mass. The difference is that those who refuse submission to the pope will have a tough time getting to heaven because subjection to the pope is a deal breaker since unity is a mark of the Church. Some public heretic priests or bishops may indeed lose their office, but if they manage to hold on to it, the only thing to do is recognize and resist in a Catholic manner, with humility, even leave that area. Why people get shook up about this is so silly, as if the Church depended on saints. God doesn't need good men to run the Church. It helps the laity, but even they don't good men, they need God. God loves his people enough to make the sacraments available to everyone even to the degree that we suffer crappy bishops and priests at times, even apostate ones. Fake priests are another story, like non-Catholic, or pseudo priests, never ordained. Obviously, that's a no go. People need to trust the Church and understand how the sacraments are made available for one reason: to feed the sheep. It stands to reason that one should find the best clergy you can, but go to the sacraments and trust Our Lord if you can't find one right away because Christ is the point, not the priest. I certainly despise what some bishops and priests are up to, yet many of them remain legal authorities in the Catholic Church and can save souls that take advantage of their true sacraments in spite of them. Thinking its mandatory to get a priest or bishop that thinks exactly like you do, or leave because he isn't as conservative as you, or avoid the sacraments because he isn't re ordained, is a lack of faith.