The resistance is absolutely conditionally ordaining.

Whoever said that is an sspx simp and spy.


No, no, what the resistance clergy and some bishops are doing is imposing ridiculous conditions on novus ordo priests converting. Bundling  "working" with them with conditional ordination.  Confusing the two. 

A priest coming from the novus ordo should be given conditional ordination, with very few questions. After that they should be talked to informally first, to make them at ease, just to see how much they know and what gaps in their formation they have. Our Bishops need to be more pragmatic, and less autistically scruplous or narcisstic. 

I know of at least two resistance Bishops turning priests off from coming to the resistance. You know who you are, and you should be ashamed of yourselves, your excellencies. 

This is nonsense based on the false doctrine that people can't commit mortal sins if they live in ignorance. We have a positive doubt as Pope Pius 12th defined the essential form, Vatican 2 changed that form. This is a REAL change, hence a positive doubt.

Ignorance is no excuse. Thinking you know more than the church is ignorance. Just because popes changed the form doesn't automatically mean the mass isn't valid. That means positive doubt is at best negative doubt and that belongs to the doubter. Just because you can't imagine how God's plan works doesn't make it wrong. The Church permitted what is technically valid, even if it appears stretched to the extremes. The reason we know is that the Church is the Church. You're certainly not. The Church doesn't make mistakes. God constantly permitted things throughout history that boggled the minds of his own people, like "eat my flesh". And they left. You cannot know the mind of God, but you ought to know His ways are not your ways. If God wants to save particular people in a particular way, under the authority of the Church and the pope, He can. Outside, no. Inside for those practicing, yes. The Catholic church is without error, even if it looks like she cooperated with wrong. People were scandalized that Jesus ate with tax collectors, didn't wash his hands the right way and chased everyone out of the church with a whip.  You have no idea what God is doing. How do you know He isn't reaching out to the least informed, "poor in spirit" and feeding them for their journey? He saves those types. That is, those remaining in the state of grace. The ones Christ didn't cater to and won't save are the ones hypocritically wailing "heresy", "letter of the law", while they persecute His followers and remain in their sin.  

Ignorance is no excuse. Thinking you know more than the church is ignorance. Just because popes changed the form doesn't automatically mean the mass isn't valid. That means positive doubt is at best negative doubt and that belongs to the doubter. Just because you can't imagine how God's plan works doesn't make it wrong. The Church permitted what is technically valid, even if it appears stretched to the extremes. The reason we know is that the Church is the Church. You're certainly not. The Church doesn't make mistakes. God constantly permitted things throughout history that boggled the minds of his own people, like "eat my flesh". And they left. You cannot know the mind of God, but you ought to know His ways are not your ways. If God wants to save particular people in a particular way, under the authority of the Church and the pope, He can. Outside, no. Inside for those practicing, yes. The Catholic church is without error, even if it looks like she cooperated with wrong. People were scandalized that Jesus ate with tax collectors, didn't wash his hands the right way and chased everyone out of the church with a whip.  You have no idea what God is doing. How do you know He isn't reaching out to the least informed, "poor in spirit" and feeding them for their journey? He saves those types. That is, those remaining in the state of grace. The ones Christ didn't cater to and won't save are the ones hypocritically wailing "heresy", "letter of the law", while they persecute His followers and remain in their sin. 

The Church didn't permit it as vatican 2 is not the Church. 

What a load of rubbish. The ESSENTIAL form was changed. This is a real substantial thing, not some opinion. If you put the 2 texts side by side you will see a DIFFERENCE. The new form is not what the Pope defined as essential.

The reason you call this rubbish is because you don't know Scripture or the ways of God. You think you're better than the souls "poor in spirit", better than the Church and better than God. You judge people, the Church and even God Himself because you refuse to understand God's ways.     

The Church doesn't teach error.
Vatican 2 taught error
Vatican 2 changed the ESSENTIAL form for consecration for Bishops
Vatican 2 changed the rite for Priests with the same issue that the Anglican rite had, which rite was already condemned by the Church so we can judge it by the same standard since it has the same problem.

Use your brain here. Logically consistency isn't difficult, unless you are a woman.

Vatican II really didn't teach error, it appeared to teach error, because the Church, in practice, cannot teach error. I'm not talking about what the skanks did with VII to promote clown masses and apostasy, etc. Yea, they left the door open (and pushed) for bad stuff, but that's on them and on anyone falling for bad stuff. It is not the Church's fault for lowering the bar for the least person to enter. God permitted that because He's good. It only appears to be error without being error.  Just like the Orthodox could not understand the filioque. They fell away. They thought they knew better than the pope, so they shouted "heresy!" and dumped the pope. Lesson number 1:They were wrong, just like those self righteously claiming heresy on VII. The Orthodox didn't have to agree with the pope or bishops, just submit to the See. And look, that pope was right, the dissenters were wrong. It only appeared VII changed the essential form for consecration of bishops. That was never really ironed out historically, leaving room for the changes because God is smarter than you. We also know it's true because the Church is the Church and you're not. The difference between the Great Schism and now is the new rite is practiced and maintained by the See. The Church didn't do that, didn't practice without the filioque. She also did not do that for Anglicans. No doubt God is obtaining good from this because that's what he does. God brings good out of evil. I haven't much liked it either but I can see the wide-open gates of God's mercy. He's practically begging those outside to come into the Church. God lowered the bar almost absurdly low, below what *you* think it should be, but without doing wrong, just permitting wrong. God did this in order to save souls in this modern world, teaching the laity that while the rules still matter, He thirsts for souls. Like those that came in at the end of the day in Scripture and got the same wage. It's God's business. The only way to get to heaven is by obedience, meekness, being poor in spirit, hungering for righteousness, not demanding it from others or from God, and being a peacemaker not a troublemaker. Fix yourself first, then go fix the Church the minute you're perfect. You don't have time to try to fix anything else. Now, you don't have to believe this, although it's Scriptural and historically accurate, but it does prove that your doubt is only negative. God's way is another option you never considered.  

 can only be canonically reinstated to the clerical state with a special dispensation from the Holy See. 

Which Holy See? The modernist Holy See or the Catholic one?

Vatican II really didn't teach error, it appeared to teach error, because the Church, in practice, cannot teach error. I'm not talking about what the skanks did with VII to promote clown masses and apostasy, etc. Yea, they left the door open (and pushed) for bad stuff, but that's on them and on anyone falling for bad stuff. It is not the Church's fault for lowering the bar for the least person to enter. God permitted that because He's good. It only appears to be error without being error.  Just like the Orthodox could not understand the filioque. They fell away. They thought they knew better than the pope, so they shouted "heresy!" and dumped the pope. Lesson number 1:They were wrong, just like those self righteously claiming heresy on VII. The Orthodox didn't have to agree with the pope or bishops, just submit to the See. And look, that pope was right, the dissenters were wrong. It only appeared VII changed the essential form for consecration of bishops. That was never really ironed out historically, leaving room for the changes because God is smarter than you. We also know it's true because the Church is the Church and you're not. The difference between the Great Schism and now is the new rite is practiced and maintained by the See. The Church didn't do that, didn't practice without the filioque. She also did not do that for Anglicans. No doubt God is obtaining good from this because that's what he does. God brings good out of evil. I haven't much liked it either but I can see the wide-open gates of God's mercy. He's practically begging those outside to come into the Church. God lowered the bar almost absurdly low, below what *you* think it should be, but without doing wrong, just permitting wrong. God did this in order to save souls in this modern world, teaching the laity that while the rules still matter, He thirsts for souls. Like those that came in at the end of the day in Scripture and got the same wage. It's God's business. The only way to get to heaven is by obedience, meekness, being poor in spirit, hungering for righteousness, not demanding it from others or from God, and being a peacemaker not a troublemaker. Fix yourself first, then go fix the Church the minute you're perfect. You don't have time to try to fix anything else. Now, you don't have to believe this, although it's Scriptural and historically accurate, but it does prove that your doubt is only negative. God's way is another option you never considered. 

Ummm.. 


This is all over the place....