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« on: January 28, 2019, 07:20:58 PM »
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  •  ...while rejecting Bishop Huondor:

     

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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
    « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 06:00:23 AM »
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  • This video has since been translated by the Rex! blog (Slavic Resistance) into Polish here: http://rexcz.blogspot.com/2019/01/biskup-huonder-novy-biskup-pro.html 

    It has also been translated by the Reconquista blog (French Resistance) here: https://cristiadatradicinalista.blogspot.com/2019/02/mgr-williamson-vs-mgr-huonder.html 

    It is interesting that these other cultures seem to have found this video (made by SSPX faithful) rather profound, taking the time to make their own translations, while it passed without a single comment on CI.

    For my part, I was rather surprised that such a video came from SSPX sheeple.  

    I note it was done anonymously, however.

    Its like going back to 2012-2013, where one had to worry about punitive retaliation from the SSPX.

    Not so in the 95% regularized SSPX: The deal is done, and there are no more maneuvers which can threaten it.

    The SSPX is more at home now with a Bishop Huounder than a Bishop Williamson.

     The Swiss faithful will serve his Masses, and Communicate with him.  They will receive his sacraments, and hob-nob with him for coffee and donuts afterwards.  Communion in the hand, altar girls, heretical religious liberty, and everything else that modernist "bishop" stands for will be given a free pass.

    But Bishop WIlliamson is cast into the outer darkness because his tongue will not be bridled against the Jews and against modernist Rome.

    But the SSPX faithful who have accepted this test probe without protest (signifying to all that they will endure still more, and more, and more) will tolerate him regardless of what he is, for the sake of what he has: 

    Canonical regularity.

    It is what they prize most, and they will not be dissuaded.

    Bishop Fellay's "Letter to Friends and Benefactors" #63 no longer inspires any dissonance within them.

    They have arrived, and they love Big Brother.


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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
    « Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 06:04:06 AM »
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  • Bishop Fellay's Letter to Friends and Benefactors #63:

    http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/supgen_63.htm 

    Dear Friends and Benefactors,



    Our relations with Rome


    Once again our Letter to Friends and Benefactors is reaching you a little late. Once again we hesitated to write to you sooner for fear of leaving out an important development in our relations with Rome, especially after the Campos-Rome agreement. In the eyes of Rome, obviously, what happened in Campos was merely meant to be the prelude to our own "regularization" in the Society of St. Pius X, but in our eyes what is happening to our former friends should rather serve as a lesson to us.


    Generally speaking, Rome means, all things being equal, to come to an agreement with the SSPX. On all sides we hear that the pope would like to settle this matter before he dies. Alas, our fears roused by the Campos agreement have proved to be well-founded, and the evolution we observe of the Campos Apostolic Administration, contrary to Roman expectations, leaves us distrustful.



    Of course we are dealing with a volatile situation capable of sudden and surprising changes, like in times of political instability. And in such a situation, nobody can be certain of what turn it will take. Also we do behold in the Vatican offices a certain questioning of the way things have gone for the last few decades, and a desire on the part of some officials to put an end to the downhill slide.



    However, it is clear that the principle governing today's Rome is still to put the Council into practice as has been done for the last 40 years. Neither official documents nor general policy show any fundamental re-thinking of this principle, on the contrary, we are always being told that what the Council set in motion is irreversible, which leads us to ask why there has been a change of attitude with regard to ourselves. Various explanations are possible, but it is primarily because of the pluralist and ecumenical vision of things now prevailing in the Catholic world. According to this vision, everybody is to mix together without anybody needing any longer to convert, as Cardinal Kasper said in connection with the Orthodox and even the Jews. From such a standpoint there will even be a little room for Catholic Tradition, but for our part we cannot accept this vision of variable truth any more than a mathematics teacher can accept a variable multiplication table.



    The day will come, we are sure and certain, when Rome will come back to Rome's own Tradition and restore it to its rightful place, and we long with all our hearts for that blessed day. For the time being, however, things are not yet at that point, and to foster illusions would be deadly for the SSPX, as we can see, when we follow the turn of events in Campos. For this purpose, let us emphasize two points in the evolution of the Campos situation: firstly, how their attitude to Rome has changed since the agreement and secondly, how Campos is moving further and further away from ourselves, with all the upset that that implies.



    Changes in Campos



    Campos, through its leader, Bishop Rifan, is crying out for all to hear that nothing has changed, that the priests of the Apostolic Administration are just as Traditional as before, which is the essence of what they have been granted, and why they accepted Rome's offer: because Rome approved of the Traditional position.



    For our part, let us begin by noting that we are well aware that in any disagreement one tends to discredit one's adversary. For instance in the case of our former friends in Campos, there are certainly false rumors circulating to the effect that "Bishop Rifan has concelebrated the New Mass", or, "Campos has completely given up Tradition". However, that being said, here is what we observe:





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    So we reject all use of the traditional Mass as a battle-flag to insult and fight the lawfully constituted hierarchical authority of the Church. We stay with the traditional Mass, not out of any spirit of contradiction, but as a clear and lawful expression of our Catholic Faith (…)

    We are reminded of the words of a Cardinal a little while back: "Whereas the SSPX is FOR the old Mass, the Fraternity of St. Peter Is AGAINST the New Mass. It's not the same thing". That was Rome's argument to justify taking action against Fr. Bisig of the Fraternity of St. Peter at about the same time that Rome was cozying up to the SSPX. The cardinal's curious distinction is now being put into practice by Campos, as they pretend to be for the old Mass but not against the new. Likewise for Tradition, but not against today's Rome. "We maintain that Vatican II cannot contradict Catholic Tradition", said Bishop Rifan quite recently to a French magazine, Famille Chretienne. Yet a well-known cardinal said that Vatican II was the French Revolution inside the Church. Bishop de Castro Mayer said the same thing....



    So little by little the will to fight grows weaker and finally one gets used to the situation. In Campos itself, everything positively traditional is being maintained, for sure, so the people see nothing different, except that the more perceptive amongst them notice the priests' tendency to speak respectfully and more often of recent statements and events coming out of Rome, while yesterday's warnings and today's deviations are left out. The great danger here is that in the end one gets used to the situation as it is, and no longer tries to remedy it. For our part we have no intention of launching out until we are certain that Rome means to maintain Tradition. We need signs that they have converted.



    Leaving the SSPX behind



    Besides this wholly foreseeable evolution of minds by which the Campos priests have, whatever they say, given up the fight, we must note another occurrence, the increasing hostility between us. Bishop Rifan still says that he wants to be our friend, but some Campos priests are already accusing us of being schismatic because we refuse their agreement with Rome.



    A little like one sees a boat pushing into mid-river, drifting down-stream and leaving the bank behind, so we see, little by little, several indications of the distance growing between ourselves and Campos. We had warned them of the great danger, they chose not to listen. Since they have no wish to row up-stream, then even while inside the boat things carry on as before, which gives them the impression that nothing has changed, nevertheless they are leaving us behind, as they show themselves more and more attached to the magisterium of today, as opposed to the position they held until recently and which we still hold, namely a sane criticism of the present in the light of the past.



    To sum up, we are bound to say that the Campos priests, despite their claims to the contrary, are slowly being re-molded, following the lead of their new bishop, in the spirit of the Council. That is all Rome wants - for the moment.



    One may object that our arguments are weak and too subtle, and of no weight as against Rome's offer to regularize our situation. We reply that if one considers Rome's offer of an Apostolic Administration just by itself, it is as splendid as the architect's plan of a beautiful mansion. But the real problem is the practical problem of what foundations the mansion will rest on. On the shifting sands of Vatican II, or on the rock of Tradition going back to the first Apostle?



    To guarantee our future, we must obtain from today's Rome clear proof of its attachment to the Rome of yesterday. When the Roman authorities have re-stated with actions speaking louder than words that "there must be no innovations outside of Tradition", then "we" shall no longer be a problem. And we beg God to hasten that day when the whole Church will flourish again, having re-discovered the secret of her past strength, freed from the modern unthought of which Paul VI said that "It is anti-Catholic in nature, Maybe it will prevail. It will never be the Church. There will have to be a faithful remnant, however tiny".



    Life inside the SSPX



    Let us also tell you of life inside the Society, to give you a little share in our apostolic joys and labors. And let us make use of this letter to tell you a little of our activity in missionary countries. It is true that today almost all countries, especially in our old Europe, are again becoming missionary countries. Priests, in their apostolic travels, visit over 65 countries, some of them still today suffering direct persecution of the Faith. But as this letter is already long, let us confine ourselves to two new areas of our apostolate. We had been visiting them off and on for a number of years, but just recently we think they are opening up in an astonishing way: Lithuania and Kenya.



    In order the better to organize our apostolate in Russia and White Russia, we have established a bridgehead in Lithuania, a country which suffered much under Russian Communist persecution and where it took heroism to keep Catholicism going. Once the Iron Curtain fell, the Eastern countries put their trust in the novelties from the Vatican, being persuaded that anything coming from the West had to be good… These countries swiftly caught up on the state of disaster inflicted by the reforms. Any reaction is rather passive than visible, so we do not see them taking action. But once our priests got over the language difficulty, they are discovering ground that promises to be fertile for Tradition, more so than our first fruitless attempts had given us to expect. Welcomed with a severe warning from the local bishops to Catholics to stay away from us, our priests nevertheless discovered numerous priests wishing to join us. These explained their bishops' severity: it was out of fear that Catholics would come to us in large numbers. For instance we have been approached by a little congregation of sisters, founded by Cardinal Vincentas Sladkevicius, Archbishop Emeritus of Kaunas. Before he died on May 28, 2000, he left orders with the sisters: "When the Society of St. Pius X comes, you must join them. They will restore the Church in Lithuania". May God with His grace enable us to live up to the Archbishop's expectation! The main cities now have their little Mass center where interest is slight for the moment, but becomes more pressing each day.



    Kenya has been receiving sporadic visits from Society priests for the last 25 years, but we have only just discovered the existence of a group of 1,500 faithful organizing their struggle for the Faith with their refusal of communion in the hand and standing. Our first contacts with them show very clearly that they are battling not only for the right way to receive communion but also for a whole traditional attitude. We are discovering also a number of nuns who have left their different Congregations or been chased out of them because they refused the Vatican II reforms. Living in the world they remained faithful to their vows. Now 16 of them are coming over to us in the hope of being able once more to live in community.



    A young priest said to us,

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    If you set up a chapel here, it will empty out the cathedral. When I visit the faithful they say to me: "Why have you changed our Church? Say Mass like it used to be!" But I don't know the old Mass, I don't know how the Church was before. When I ask older priests, they send me packing. Can you teach me to say the old Mass? Can I visit you to learn?

    Another priest, also young, said in a tone of voice that spoke volumes. "I will note down in my diary for this evening: my first Tridentine Mass".



    How can the Church authorities not heed the cry of these souls thirsting for grace and the Catholic life? Beneath the ashes and ruins left by Vatican II, there are still traditional Catholic embers glowing, needing only to blaze up again. The Church does not die. God watches over it. May He grant us to be His docile instruments to spread the fire that His Heart burns to spread throughout the world!



    But you in particular, dear faithful, are well aware that we cannot manage to do all we would like to do; how we need priests! Pray, pray the master of the harvest to send numerous workers into his apostolic field.



    At the beginning of this new year, full of gratitude and warm thanks for all your unfailing generosity, we entrust you with praying for priests, for the sacrifice of the Mass. God bless you and all your families with an abundance of all His graces.

    +Bishop Fellay

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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 07:23:02 AM »
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  • The SSPX is more at home now with a Bishop Huounder than a Bishop Williamson.

     The Swiss faithful will serve his Masses, and Communicate with him.  They will receive his sacraments, and hob-nob with him for coffee and donuts afterwards.  Communion in the hand, altar girls, heretical religious liberty, and everything else that modernist "bishop" stands for will be given a free pass.

    But Bishop WIlliamson is cast into the outer darkness because his tongue will not be bridled against the Jews and against modernist Rome.

    Good points.  

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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
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  • An interesting post on the French Resistance site speculates that the SSPX faithful in France/Switzerland have been groomed/conditioned since late 2011 (i.e., roughly the time Bishop Fellay announced publicly he was willing to accept a practical accord with modernist Rome in 2-2-12), but performing a search for "Bishop Huonder" on FSSPX.news (while a later post in the same thread notes that FSSPX.news conveniently lists his conservative acts, but omits all his liberal acts):

    http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t822-Precisions-au-sujet-de-Mgr-Huonder.htm 

    A subsequent post in the same thread by Gillou47 observes that on the German FSSPX Facebook page (which supports and defends the Huonder infiltration), an interesting French comment was made, which alleges this conciliar "bishop" is already dispensing sacraments (?) to the faithful and lecturing the seminarians in Zaitskofen:

    "To accept such a bishop without an official clarification that it is out of the question that he will be able to give the sacraments shows the duplicity of those who have been preparing for this arrival for years.
    Because what you fail to say is that this bishop, a modernist, attached to the Council and a biritualist, has already made ceremonies in a school of the FSSPX in Switzerland, and that he has already preached to the seminarians of Zaiskofen, a way to no doubt accustom the faithful of the FSSPX... and to avoid the problem of the [episcopal] consecration!!
    This is Bishop Fellay's duplicity. Let us hope that Father Paglarani will be able to rectify the situation.
    Bishop Lefebvre, pray for us."
    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1170087709814517&id=573767629446531 


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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
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  • An interesting post on the French Resistance site speculates that the SSPX faithful in France/Switzerland have been groomed/conditioned since late 2011 (i.e., roughly the time Bishop Fellay announced publicly he was willing to accept a practical accord with modernist Rome in 2-2-12), but performing a search for "Bishop Huonder" on FSSPX.news (while a later post in the same thread notes that FSSPX.news conveniently lists his conservative acts, but omits all his liberal acts):

    http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t822-Precisions-au-sujet-de-Mgr-Huonder.htm

    A subsequent post in the same thread by Gillou47 observes that on the German FSSPX Facebook page (which supports and defends the Huonder infiltration), an interesting French comment was made, which alleges this conciliar "bishop" is already dispensing sacraments (?) to the faithful and lecturing the seminarians in Zaitskofen:

    "To accept such a bishop without an official clarification that it is out of the question that he will be able to give the sacraments shows the duplicity of those who have been preparing for this arrival for years.
    Because what you fail to say is that this bishop, a modernist, attached to the Council and a biritualist, has already made ceremonies in a school of the FSSPX in Switzerland, and that he has already preached to the seminarians of Zaiskofen, a way to no doubt accustom the faithful of the FSSPX... and to avoid the problem of the [episcopal] consecration!!
    This is Bishop Fellay's duplicity. Let us hope that Father Paglarani will be able to rectify the situation.
    Bishop Lefebvre, pray for us."
    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1170087709814517&id=573767629446531
    More evidence Fr. Pagliarani is not only continuing, but advancing and escalating, the policies of Bishop Fellay's regime:
    Where Bishop Fellay introduced Bishops Schneider and Brandmuller to the Zaitskofen and Winona seminarians, Fr. Pagliarani installs Bishop Huonder as a Roman mole permanently in the Swiss boys school.
    Like the Canadian SSPX man who last year married in a Novus Ordo chapel (by a Novus Ordo priest), these slow-boiled European SSPXers will all thumb their noses at the older generation of SSPXers, as they really see no reason to oppose conciliarism: It is just we are recognized!
    The SSPX died with the Archbishop in 1991.
    Ever since then, it has been a long slow policy of weeding out his "resistance" and enhancing his "recognize."

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  • Ha!

    It is just that the younger SSPXers have no clue about the battle for the faith, and that by their naivety, they should steal the SSPX and hand it over to Rome.

    Had the older generation properly inculcated the siege mentality into their children, they would know they were in a fight.

    But they don't.

    Most of the the youngsters (35 and under) only go to SSPX chapels because that is where their parents brought them.

    But they pawned off their parental responsibilities to teach their children the faith onto the priests, so when the priests betrayed the fort, the imparted that treason into the youngsters, who happily followed them into conciliar Rome.

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    Re: SSPX Faithful Make Pro-Bishop Williamson Video
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  • An interesting post on the French Resistance site speculates that the SSPX faithful in France/Switzerland have been groomed/conditioned since late 2011 (i.e., roughly the time Bishop Fellay announced publicly he was willing to accept a practical accord with modernist Rome in 2-2-12), but performing a search for "Bishop Huonder" on FSSPX.news (while a later post in the same thread notes that FSSPX.news conveniently lists his conservative acts, but omits all his liberal acts):

    http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t822-Precisions-au-sujet-de-Mgr-Huonder.htm

    A subsequent post in the same thread by Gillou47 observes that on the German FSSPX Facebook page (which supports and defends the Huonder infiltration), an interesting French comment was made, which alleges this conciliar "bishop" is already dispensing sacraments (?) to the faithful and lecturing the seminarians in Zaitskofen:

    "To accept such a bishop without an official clarification that it is out of the question that he will be able to give the sacraments shows the duplicity of those who have been preparing for this arrival for years.
    Because what you fail to say is that this bishop, a modernist, attached to the Council and a biritualist, has already made ceremonies in a school of the FSSPX in Switzerland, and that he has already preached to the seminarians of Zaiskofen, a way to no doubt accustom the faithful of the FSSPX... and to avoid the problem of the [episcopal] consecration!!
    This is Bishop Fellay's duplicity. Let us hope that Father Paglarani will be able to rectify the situation.
    Bishop Lefebvre, pray for us."
    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1170087709814517&id=573767629446531
    If the SSPX already has conciliar priests (?) distributing sacraments (?) in its chapels, why not "bishops?"


     

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