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SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
« on: July 10, 2020, 07:28:43 AM »
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  • The Shrine of St. Philomena was "friends of the SSPX" but left to the care of the SSPX after the death of Fr. Timothy Hopkins.

    In 2020, the shine was closed "due to coronavirus" and two chapels are basically merged.

    Reading the letter from the prior, it's almost like reading a letter from a NO bishop after the same happens; http://www.sspxflorida.com/sites/sspx/files/media/usa-p-orlando/pdf/south_florida_chapels_merger_doc.pdf

    Philomena's was also in a very poor neighborhood so the outreach of souls vs. "country club Catholicism" or "prosperity Gospel" of the Florida SSPX is also further shown. 

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 08:13:39 AM »
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  • I need to send this to Father Leo Carley in Akron (Immaculate Heart of Mary).  I was on his Board of Trustees but stepped down because I did not wish to sign the document handing the chapel over to SSPX after he passes away (he's in his mid-80s now).  I warned him that the SSPX is just as likely to close it down, sell it (it's on some potentially-valuable commercial property near a ritzy country club), and then force everyone to drive over to the SSPX chapel not too far away.

    There's no doubt it will happen.  SSPX is building a new chapel on a property not too far away, so they'll sell Fr. Carley's property and funnel the money to finish paying off that property.


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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 08:27:34 AM »
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  • Perhaps Bishop Zendejas could take over the Miami chapel?

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 08:38:11 AM »
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  • Perhaps Bishop Zendejas could take over the Miami chapel?

    The SSPX won’t sell to Bishop Zendejas.

    They sell to Muslims, but not to Resistance (Just like the dioceses used to refuse to sell to the SSPX, but not Protestants or Muslims).

    Besides, if the states are going to require abortive vaccines in the schools, or masks, social distancing, sign-up sheets for head counts (or for government COVID19 tracers?), etc., then it might be best for the time being not to have brick/mortar schools and churches:

    The SSPX has been tempted into compromise in order to maintain these assets, whereas the lack thereof has kept the Resistance pure.

    We are flying under the radar as guerrilla Catholics, and the authorities have very little ability to suppress/persecute us because of that.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 09:33:07 AM »
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    I warned him that the SSPX is just as likely to close it down, sell it (it's on some potentially-valuable commercial property near a ritzy country club), and then force everyone to drive over to the SSPX chapel not too far away.
    Is this chapel actually some type of shrine, or miraculous building?  I only ask because I've been there and that chapel was no bigger than a 3 car garage.  While I loathe the sspx's financial focus, and give-us-your-property-and-we'll-give-you-a-priest attitude, I don't see how this chapel is a long term solution.  It's just so small.  In this case, it might be wise to sell it (assuming there's no miraculous nature to it), and build something bigger.


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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 09:33:44 AM »
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  • That was me.

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2020, 12:31:39 PM »
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  • The letter from the prior is all correct and accurate regarding the histories of the two chapels. With regard to the closing of the Miami chapel the letter indirectly says that  they are closing the Miami chapel because the Davy chapel has become very popular with the Novus Ordo’s who have nowhere to go because of the corona virus closings.The same thing has happened in the Sanford priory. Bottom line is they are closing Miami because there’s a “new crowd to service”, a more profitable crowd. It’s business. The Miami chapel was servicing the poor people of the neighborhood. It is a wise business decision , but not a charitable decision.

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2020, 12:43:39 PM »
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  • Is this chapel actually some type of shrine, or miraculous building?  I only ask because I've been there and that chapel was no bigger than a 3 car garage.  While I loathe the sspx's financial focus, and give-us-your-property-and-we'll-give-you-a-priest attitude, I don't see how this chapel is a long term solution.  It's just so small.  In this case, it might be wise to sell it (assuming there's no miraculous nature to it), and build something bigger.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about.  That church building is much bigger than a "3-car garage". Nearly 200 people assist at Mass every Sunday.  It's tight, and a fair number stand in the back.  It's bigger than 75% of the SSPX chapels that I've been to (and I've been to a lot).  Perhaps you are confusing it with St. Peregrine's in Cleveland.  He also built an 8-classroom school (to accommodate 8 grades) on the property and has been running it for about 15 years now.

    Beside that, it's not about the buildings, but the people, the souls.  But the SSPX cares more about buildings.  Father Carley's intent was that the people for whose spiritual needs he has cared for during the past 40 years would be taken care of.  But it seems like you have the same attitude as the SSPX.  You hardly "loathe the sspx's financial focus", as you put it but seem very much aligned with it in your thinking.  Father's intention isn't to have them sell it, but to care for the faithful there.  He could sell it himself, retire (nobody would blame him), and tell people to go to the SSPX chapel.  But as far as I can tell, he intends to care for the faithful until his dying breath (... or he can no longer physically do it).  He has to use a rail to help him genuflect, and yet he'll kneel for 20 minutes leading the Rosary.  He broke his hip a few years ago and came back within 6 weeks (despite Dr.'s orders).  While he was convalescing, he asked the SSPX to send someone to fill in, and they hemmed and hawed.  Father finally threatened to pull the property from his will, and they finally sent Bishop Tissier on Christmas Day that year to do damage control.  But you can be sure that without such threats, they'll not really care.

    Also, while the SSPX chapel closed up shop during COVID, Father Carley stayed open and there were overflow crowds of people displaced from the SSPX (and even the Motu) Masses in the area that had caved and shut down.  Despite the fact that Father Carley himself is "high risk" due to his age, he kept offering Mass and hearing Confessions every day like he always had.

    If the building gets too small to accommodate the faithful, simply have 2 Masses.  Father Carley, now in his mid-80s, just can't do it ... although even then he regularly drives (or, rather, has someone drive him) to Wheeling, West Virginia, to offer Mass for a small handful of souls there.

    And that kind of missionary spirit is what used to drive the SSPX of old.  They offered Mass in hotel conference rooms and barns and everywhere else.  But forget that now.  Let's build $50- and $100- million dollar structures ... at the expensive of all the other faithful around the country.  SSPX have lost their way.


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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2020, 12:59:56 PM »
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    That church building is much bigger than a "3-car garage". Nearly 200 people assist at Mass every Sunday.  It's tight, and a fair number stand in the back.  It's bigger than 75% of the SSPX chapels that I've been to (and I've been to a lot).  Perhaps you are confusing it with St. Peregrine's in Cleveland.
    We're obviously not talking about the same place.  I was in Miami in 2006 and went to a mass said by Fr Tim Hopkins and the building was very small.  The ceilings were very about 8ft high and it was jam-packed with a hundred or so people.  Practically speaking, a new chapel was needed (but I agree, not a $50m structure, just a bigger chapel).  Maybe they did get a new building since 2006, and we're talking about 2 different places?  Or maybe Fr Tim said mass at 2 different places, and I went to the smaller one?  I don't know, just relating my experience.

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #9 on: July 10, 2020, 01:01:55 PM »
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  • We're obviously not talking about the same place.  I was in Miami in 2006 and went to a mass said by Fr Tim Hopkins and the building was very small.  The ceilings were very about 8ft high and it was jam-packed with a hundred or so people.  Practically speaking, a new chapel was needed (but I agree, not a $50m structure, just a bigger chapel).  Maybe they did get a new building since 2006, and we're talking about 2 different places?  Or maybe Fr Tim said mass at 2 different places, and I went to the smaller one?  I don't know, just relating my experience.

    It would seem that we're talking about different places.  You had been responding to my comments regarding IHM in Akron, so I assumed you were talking about IHM.

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2020, 01:06:42 PM »
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    You had been responding to my comments regarding IHM in Akron, so I assumed you were talking about IHM.
    Oh, I assumed your comment about Fr Carley meant he succeeded Fr Tim Hopkins in Miami, but was now in OH.  I was talking about Miami the whole time.  I was saying that I could see the reason for the sspx selling/upgrading the Miami chapel because it really was super small.


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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #11 on: July 10, 2020, 06:26:05 PM »
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  • I need to send this to Father Leo Carley in Akron (Immaculate Heart of Mary).  I was on his Board of Trustees but stepped down because I did not wish to sign the document handing the chapel over to SSPX after he passes away (he's in his mid-80s now).  I warned him that the SSPX is just as likely to close it down, sell it (it's on some potentially-valuable commercial property near a ritzy country club), and then force everyone to drive over to the SSPX chapel not too far away.

    There's no doubt it will happen.  SSPX is building a new chapel on a property not too far away, so they'll sell Fr. Carley's property and funnel the money to finish paying off that property.
    is it too late to correct this and turn the chapel over to Bp. Zendejas or CMRI?  I think either are better options, and they would honor their commitment to keep the chapel going and would not sell it leaving the people high and dry.  

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #12 on: July 10, 2020, 06:45:39 PM »
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  • You gotta be kidding me. I’m going to college next year in Miami and this was the only valid non thuc trad mass anywhere close. 

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #13 on: July 10, 2020, 06:56:56 PM »
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  • is it too late to correct this and turn the chapel over to Bp. Zendejas or CMRI?  I think either are better options, and they would honor their commitment to keep the chapel going and would not sell it leaving the people high and dry.  

    I've tried talking to Father Carley about this before.  Might be worth another try.

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    Re: SSPX Closes Miami Chapel
    « Reply #14 on: July 10, 2020, 07:07:55 PM »
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  • I've tried talking to Father Carley about this before.  Might be worth another try.
    I do realize Ohio is where most of them are in the first place, but would they ever consider giving it to the Byzantine eparchy? 


     

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