?? I don't understand your question. Catholic clergy are those with canonical mission. Of course the masses they offer are valid.

I did not ask the question, another soul also seems to be struggling with this issue and asked it.  However, I need clarification of your answer quoted above.  When you refer to Catholic clergy with canonical mission, is that strictly novus ordo clergy?  

I'm desperately trying to follow many threads here on Cathinfo that are discussing jurisdiction and other legalities and do not want to unwittingly venture into schism.  Presently I attend an SSPX chapel for Mass and sacraments, but am now concerned that jurisdiction is not supplied and perhaps I should avail myself of the local FSSP chapel.  This is all very confusing.

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You are right; it is not a SSPV thing.
Many SSPX-ers were and are Birchers or supported JBS.

But the SSPV is still masonic at its core.

Only a few years ago the SSPV got involved in a greedy lawsuit.  A kindly benefactor had donated a large painting of Our Lady of the Angels.  They decided to sell it for $450,000.   The buyer eventually re-sold it for about $2 million.  So they got angry and attempted a $51 million lawsuit, claiming they were ripped off.

(did the benefactor who gave the nuns a beautiful painting for their inspiration at the convent get ripped off?)

They went all over the news and media, damaging the reputation of the art dealers, and damaging their own reputations as well.

SSPV made hundreds of thousands of dollars profit from a donated painting, which the buyer had professionally conserved and re-framed (6'x9' elaborate gold leaf)

If that's not masonic, I don't know what is.

The jury ended up making SSPV pay $325,000 in defamation damages to some of the parties they had injured in this scandalous and long legal battle.  The judge had some choice words about Bishop Kelly.

You have made other posts recently yet you did not address the one below.

Please answer.

So in your opinion SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, Resisitance priests and all those who have been ordained through any of those lines are not Catholics and their Masses are to be avoided. Correct???

Please give us the names and locations of just 12 Catholic clergy in the USA with canonical mission where we can attend Mass, in your opinion.

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?? I don't understand your question. Catholic clergy are those with canonical mission. Of course the masses they offer are valid.

When you refer to Catholic clergy with canonical mission, is that strictly novus ordo clergy?  

The novus ordo is an anti-Catholic sect hatched by ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry in 1958.

Yes, so just make sure that as of 1958 you only attended the Masses of non-sect clergy and only confessed to clergy who recognized that a new sect had been founded and who testified publicly that they were not part of it.

That leaves out Siri...and everybody else.

"The OTO believes that the John Birch Society is a highly useful tool for distracting attention away from Judaism to Islam, and away from Masonry to the United Nations."

In his "Blood on the Altar," (2005, Independent history and Researh) Craig Heimbichner (wrote) the following concerning the infiltration of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's Order of Oriental Templars (OTO) into Traditional ranks: "[The OTO] planted the seeds of destruction both on Christianity's Left wing (the 'ecuмenists' and 'concilarists') as well as on the right wing, (the 'traditionalists'), in a process known in alchemy as coincidentia oppositorum, ('coincidences of opposites'). Much has been written about occult infiltration coming from the Left, but most analysts have failed to investigate and expose subversion playing on right-wing tastes and affinities. Yet secret societies have a record oh manipulating both sides of the human psyche and persona, shepherding those who crave egalitarianism and anarchy, as well as those who seek elite standards and authority."

Heimbichner describes a book written by OTO author James Wassserman as "the opening of a new and daring public appeal to the American Right wing." He notes that Wasserman openly praises the John Birch society, although admitting he is not a member "for personal reasons," while endorsing its condemnation of Isalmo-fascism. Like JBS, Heimbichner explains, Wasserman seeks to focus the spolight on organizations such as the UN, directing it away from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the (more rsdical) elements of Judaism. Heimbichner concludes" "The OTO believes that the John Birch society is a highly useful tool for distracting attention away from Judaism to Islam, and away from Masonry to the United Nations."

The UN is a tool of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

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"The OTO believes that the John Birch Society is a highly useful tool for distracting attention away from Judaism to Islam, and away from Masonry to the United Nations."

In his "Blood on the Altar," (2005, Independent history and Research) Craig Heimbichner (wrote) the following concerning the infiltration of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's Order of Oriental Templars (OTO) into Traditional ranks: "[The OTO] planted the seeds of destruction both on Christianity's Left wing (the 'ecuмenists' and 'concilarists') as well as on the right wing, (the 'traditionalists'), in a process known in alchemy as coincidentia oppositorum, ('coincidences of opposites'). Much has been written about occult infiltration coming from the Left, but most analysts have failed to investigate and expose subversion playing on right-wing tastes and affinities. Yet secret societies have a record oh manipulating both sides of the human psyche and persona, shepherding those who crave egalitarianism and anarchy, as well as those who seek elite standards and authority."

Heimbichner describes a book written by OTO author James Wassserman as "the opening of a new and daring public appeal to the American Right wing." He notes that Wasserman openly praises the John Birch society, although admitting he is not a member "for personal reasons," while endorsing its condemnation of Isalmo-fascism. Like JBS, Heimbichner explains, Wasserman seeks to focus the spotlight on organizations such as the UN, directing it away from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the (more radical) elements of Judaism. Heimbichner concludes" "The OTO believes that the John Birch society is a highly useful tool for distracting attention away from Judaism to Islam, and away from Masonry to the United Nations."

The UN is a tool of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

Agreed. A creation of World Jewry (which also created Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ). However I would speculate the JBS does not focus on the UN's dark origin, yet instead says the UN is a "threat to the (masonic) US Government's "liberty", "freedom of speech", etc.

In other words they keep people entrapped in this US anti-Catholic/anti-monarchical pestilent system.

So in your opinion SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, Resisitance priests and all those who have been ordained through any of those lines are not Catholics and their Masses are to be avoided. Correct???

Please give us the names and locations of just 12 Catholic clergy in the USA with canonical mission where we can attend Mass, in your opinion

… I have studied internal docuмents of this country [not generally released to the public] and the DC leadership is, and always has been, vehemently anti-Catholic. …

Interesting. You found them in a corner of the men's room at Monticello, then, did you? Or were they perhaps wedged behind a radiator at the National Archives?

Or maybe you just found them on some tinfoil-hat site during one of your 12-hour marathon sessions on the WWW.

The rest of us find quite enough evidence of what this country's origins were by looking at what's lying around in plain sight.

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You are right; it is not a SSPV thing.
Many SSPX-ers were and are Birchers or supported JBS.

But the SSPV is still masonic at its core.

Only a few years ago the SSPV got involved in a greedy lawsuit.  A kindly benefactor had donated a large painting of Our Lady of the Angels.  They decided to sell it for $450,000.   The buyer eventually re-sold it for about $2 million.  So they got angry and attempted a $51 million lawsuit, claiming they were ripped off.

(did the benefactor who gave the nuns a beautiful painting for their inspiration at the convent get ripped off?)

They went all over the news and media, damaging the reputation of the art dealers, and damaging their own reputations as well.

SSPV made hundreds of thousands of dollars profit from a donated painting, which the buyer had professionally conserved and re-framed (6'x9' elaborate gold leaf)

If that's not masonic, I don't know what is.

The jury ended up making SSPV pay $325,000 in defamation damages to some of the parties they had injured in this scandalous and long legal battle.  The judge had some choice words about Bishop Kelly.

How did a $450K get to $51M? Who crunched the numbers before the trial?

Well, it's a long story with this group as usual.  An email, a mysterious email was sent to the nuns by someone purporting to be Benjamin Dollar, an art expert from Sotheby's.  It was determined no such email came from him....then there's the other guy, Dumont supposedly telling the SSPV they were being cheated.  (as usual, it was no fault of SSPV, or so they hoped)  The fact is, Kelly had the check for the $450 K and held onto for three months which was a part of the reason their story didn't add up.  It went up to $450K after some restoration the SSPV paid for.  It had been in bad condition, and religious paintings generally do not fetch the huge amounts that other genres do.  The $51 million is just ludicrous for their "suffering" if one considers the suffering they caused by suing their Superior Archbishop Lefebvre and robbing the faithful who had paid for the US properties.