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SPPX Tribunal questions
« on: September 07, 2025, 06:41:38 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever gone through the SSPX "tribunal" to have their annulment investigated?  Are there forms that need to be filled out? Is there a process?

    I am being subjected to this process and turned in some type of "paperwork" to my local priest but have never filled out a form or signed anything.  I see that the SSPX website has a sort of contract that needs to be signed which is online.  I have been given zero guidance and I am not sure how this process works.  I submitted the responses that were in my NO annulment investigation and nothing else, and this was 9 months ago.  

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2025, 07:02:26 PM »
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  • I see that the SSPX website has a sort of contract that needs to be signed which is online.
    They do? Why would that sort of thing be done online and not a case-by-case basis?


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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2025, 07:21:10 PM »
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  • So, uhm, if they have some online portal, that suggests a significant volume of such "requests" ... otherwise there wouldn't be a need to automate it like this, though this could just be an e-signing thing.

    I'm surprised they're investigating anything still ... vs. just accepting whatever the Conciliars tell them.

    I suspect there will be fees involved, and generous contributions to their collections would result in a more favorable outcome to the petitioner.

    Yes, that's how cynical I've become regarding SSPX.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2025, 07:59:47 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever gone through the SSPX "tribunal" to have their annulment investigated?  Are there forms that need to be filled out? Is there a process?

    I am being subjected to this process and turned in some type of "paperwork" to my local priest but have never filled out a form or signed anything.  I see that the SSPX ... and this was 9 months ago. 

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Someone I knew (novus Ordo) had an annulment from Rome, and probably for selfish reasons , so I consider NO annulments quasi absurd, as in not valid in the eyes of God. For centuries, so few annulments,  then all of a sudden, 1000's. 
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    What if you are a member of the Fraternité Saint-Pius X?

        1. Contact your bishopric:
        Talk to the officials (the clerical court) of your diocese to obtain the necessary information and forms.

    2. Consult with an ecclesiastical lawyer:
    It can help you set up a file of invalidity, if this is possible for your situation.

    3.  Follow the procedure:
    The procedure may be lengthy, but Pope Francis has recently simplified certain conditions.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2025, 08:56:41 PM »
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  • Sorry. I was not clear when I wrote the post.  The SSPX annulment section on their website shows some kind of contract that I imagine is printed out and given to those people that they investigate?  It is not an online portal.

    To be clear. I am new to the SSPX and I am a convert.  I was received 10 years ago through the novus ordo and came to tradition about 5 years ago.  I was a protestant married to another protestant.  I got divorced and remarried and years later converted to Catholicism.  My current SSPX pastor wants to investigate my first marriage (protestant + protestant) even though I am now married in the Catholic Church to a Catholic.  

    I am trying to understand the process that they use for this as he has given me almost NO INFORMATION. He is very vague when I ask anything and essentially avoids me so that I don't ask questions.


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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2025, 09:38:47 PM »
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  • I am trying to understand the process that they use for this as he has given me almost NO INFORMATION. He is very vague when I ask anything and essentially avoids me so that I don't ask questions.
    Not a good sign. Maybe talk to another priest?

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2025, 10:09:06 PM »
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  • Is this what you're referring to:
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    I, ............................................., desirous of obtaining a decision in conformity with traditional Catholic principles, freely submit my marriage with ........................... to the tribunals of the Society of St. Pius X, and I promise:

        That I will not attempt to enter any marriage, religious or civil, until such time as the tribunals of the Society have rendered a final judgment concerning my freedom to marry.
        That I will accept the tribunals’ decision, whatever it is, and that, if it decides against the nullity of my marriage, I will not marry again or, if already remarried, I will no longer consider my second partner as a spouse.
        That I will not request a judgment or reexamination of my case by a post-Conciliar ecclesiastical tribunal.

    All this I promise and I swear on the Holy Gospels, which I now touch with my hand.

    ...................................................................(date)

    ...........................................................(signature)


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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2025, 10:25:40 PM »
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  • Yes. 


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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2025, 12:53:12 AM »
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  • I have signed a docuмent very similar to this one before marriage. It is merely to see that you are in good faith, because they know that, whatever they decide, you can easily get an annulment at the Novus Ordo courts.

    I see no problem with the form.

    The problem, as usual, is that everything is a secret in the SSPX, and you are the bad person if you start asking questions, however legitimate they are. They just expect you to wait forever until they feel like giving you a response. You could try to contact you district superior, but don't expect much.

    If they have a single group of people to work on this kind of request for all the SSPX faithful, it is really going to take some time, since they probably get a considerable amount work from all over the world.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2025, 06:38:23 AM »
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  • Well, I see plenty of problems with the form.  On whose authority do they think they can bind consciences to their judgment?

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2025, 08:32:06 AM »
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  • Well, I see plenty of problems with the form.  On whose authority do they think they can bind consciences to their judgment?

    They know they can't, and that's why the form is there. It is to prevent abuse. What kind of "trad" would go to a Novus Ordo tribunal anyway?

    The only scenario on which it would be a problem is if the person thought that they used poor or faulty reasoning to give their opinion. Then, this person could ask the opinion of another knowledgeable traditionalist cleric, if one could be found.

    All the same, if the person does not trust the SSPX to begin with, they should not ask for their formal opinion like this. As much as it is good that they even care to examine this delicate situations, I would never ask for their opinion on such a matter, since I don't believe that they are trustworthy.


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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2025, 02:32:50 PM »
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  • I don't have a problem with the form and I would like to know their ruling since I think that the Novus Ordo gives out annulments to anyone.  I just wanted to know if there is any real process to this whole thing.  I never filled out any paperwork, I never signed anything, nobody has ever said anything since.  I appreciate that this service is offered but I am a bit surprised at the lack of organization/follow through.  

    I am guessing that this is the way it works at any chapel?  I thought maybe I was the exception and the other chapels do it in a more organized fashion.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2025, 02:38:28 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever gone through the SSPX "tribunal" to have their annulment investigated?  Are there forms that need to be filled out? Is there a process?

    I am being subjected to this process and turned in some type of "paperwork" to my local priest but have never filled out a form or signed anything.  I see that the SSPX website has a sort of contract that needs to be signed which is online.  I have been given zero guidance and I am not sure how this process works.  I submitted the responses that were in my NO annulment investigation and nothing else, and this was 9 months ago. 

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Are you willing to accept their decision if they find that your first marriage is valid and the annulment was invalid?  You'd be compelled to separate from your current partner.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2025, 04:35:45 PM »
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  • Well, I see plenty of problems with the form.  On whose authority do they think they can bind consciences to their judgment?
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    A tribunal by its nature has authority. Since you are asking them to pass judgment on your situation, that would seem to indicate you think they have the authority to do so.

    If two protestants get married and neither of them has been married before, then the marriage lasts until one of them dies.

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    Re: SPPX Tribunal questions
    « Reply #14 on: September 08, 2025, 04:50:28 PM »
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  • I posted a similar question and it comes down to legitimate authority.  Those sort of structures are lacking today.  It’s a cross.  The gate is narrow