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« on: April 01, 2016, 11:54:41 PM »
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  • Does the wife get the final say about what is work and what is play?
    For example what if the husband decided his family needs a garden for various reasons. Can the wife treat all his time spent building and maintaining that garden as free time or goof off time, so she can watch TV during all that time?
    Or is part of obedience acknowledging his role as head of the house, and respecting what he considers important enough to add to the family's collective work load? What if the husband decided the family needs to homeschool?

    What practical use is the husbands headship of the house, if he isn't allowed to place any obligations/burdens on his family without his wife's consent?


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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 12:06:00 AM »
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  • I would hope so, or at least a mutual conclusion is reached.

    There should be two opinions on all things marital.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 12:21:29 AM »
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    Does the wife get the final say about what is work and what is play?
    For example what if the husband decided his family needs a garden for various reasons. Can the wife treat all his time spent building and maintaining that garden as free time or goof off time, so she can watch TV during all that time?
    Or is part of obedience acknowledging his role as head of the house, and respecting what he considers important enough to add to the family's collective work load? What if the husband decided the family needs to homeschool?

    What practical use is the husbands headship of the house, if he isn't allowed to place any obligations/burdens on his family without his wife's consent?


    No! The wife does not have final say. You must assert your authority.

    Building a garden is certainly work, whether or not it is for growing food or for beautifying your environment.

    Why do you have TV? Why don't you get rid of it? Then your wife can join you in the garden as well as the children (if any).

    In the sacrament of marriage she made a vow to love, honour and OBEY. So that should settle it.

    The question you should ask is "What practical use is the husbands headship of the house, if he fails to assert it?" It sounds like you have been too pliable in the past. It is hard if you don't get into the right behaviour from the start of the marriage. But it's never too late to put things right.

    Start with a good confession about it and both of you need to mend your ways.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 01:59:09 AM »
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  • Friend,
    I sympathise with your situation, truly.

    Women nowdays will be nice as sunshine as long as they feel drawn to you on an emotive level, such as "love", "infatuation" or just carnal desire.

    As soon as the constant stream of stimuli passes/wears off, they revert back to being uppity and disobedient, malicious, devious and vindictive creatures.

    However you failed to give us key informations about yourself and more importantly your wife.

    How is she both physically and mentally? How emotional and stupid is she exactly?

    What kind of Man are you?


    What exactly did you do to let your wife of all people think she has some kind of authority over you or the household? This is very worrying.





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    Having said that, I will give you some universal tips on how to save some face and regain a shred of dignity.

    In better times, you would be the laughing stock of your village, and your wife probably already found "accidentally" dead in the outskirts, or burned by a righteous mob as a witch&demon, but alas, these are the times.


    Secular laws prevent us to treat women properly even in case of disobedience.

    So, what you can do is indirectly show your strength: both of will and body.

    So that she will unconsciously (or even consciously if she's smart enough) gain a bit of respect or better yet fear you, as prescribed in the Holy Bible itself.








    1)As far as the physical goes, she should know just how much stronger than her you are.

    If you possess superhuman/exceptional strength you can probably skip this part, as these things come to you effortlessly.

    Women are obsessed with bodily contact and will try to touch you, hug you, etc.

    When that happens, instead of passively and viscidly letting her lead you, control the situation and utilise the occasion to indirectly display strength.

    Example A: she approaches you for a hug. Instead of immediately letting her hug you or huggin back, put your hands laterally on her chest and keep her at a distance. Apply a tiny bit of pressure and keep your arms firm.

    She will both be denied a caprice and perceive just how easy it would be for you to crush her torax as a tin can.

    After a tiny bit, do not let go, but you drag her toward yourself and you hug her firmly.


    Example B:Womyns like to hold hands for some reason. When she tries to (or you decide it's opportune to do so) you do not let your hand flabbily rest into hers like a homogαy or a women itself, but instead tighten the grip a bit, much less than you would during a handshake with another man (I'm assuming you know how to properly shake hands... do you?); but enough she can feel your iron-tight grip able to snap a person's trachea in two if you wished.


    Example C:When she stands in your way nagging about some BS, or even tries to assume a dominant posture trying to scold you, you do not become hysterical like a child or actually listen to her. Instead you just toss her out of the way effortlessly and proceed to do whatever you were gonna do before.

    Only then, you ask her what the devil she wanted in the first place.


    Example D: If you are very strong, you can just show it by doing stuff, such as lifting heavy objects effortlessly, moving cars with the engine off, throwing around big logs in your back yard/woods, accidentally breaking things, killing animals with your bare hands, and so on.

    I think that's enough examples.



    IMPORTANT:

    If she is quite intelligent, this approach is still effective.
    In fact, she might be able to understand the situation in M.A.D./Game Theory terms:

    If she wanted to hurt you, she could do nothing to do, while the assured retaliation would potentially, nay, surely, be potentially deadly.

    If you wanted to hurt her (God forbid!!! You have to be nothing but gentle to her), you could effortlessly kill her, probably with less effort than a chicken or rabbit.
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    2)Strength of Will is fundamental when dealing with modern wymens.

    If you show yourself to be malleable, they will try to (consciously or not) exploit and change you for the worse.

    Both using their female lures and in some cases (may be yours?) using verbal abuse.

    You have to make clear, indirectly you only do what she asks out of kindness and on your own terms.

    Example A: She wants to go to some BS place or something, and being insistent about it, without any reason (they often become distracted and fixated like that). DO NOT budge, or only after you make her understand the exact situation. You can also agree but on a different day (she will either lose interest in the BS, or at least understand she can't boss you around).

    Example B: She's set into doing something at all costs, or, God forbid, being right about some argument.
    Regardless of the details, just ignore her and let her stew.
    After a while, and possibly when her idea already went to heck, you can bring it up again if you want.

    Example C: Well, not an example actually, but do not be fooled: you do not need to treat her badly. In fact you have to be very gentle, forgiving and courteous to her at all times.

    Standing your ground does not mean avoiding doing nice things to her, or favours, or letting her know she also can rely on you.
    Or listening when she's hurt or in need of a companion, or offering to fix something for her yourself, etc. etc.

    It's a combination of things, hopefully resulting in a nice medium and a well behaved relationship.






    Cue to an avalanche of downvotes from the feminαzι old hag lieberal ladies brigade, as usual.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 05:52:23 AM »
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    Does the wife get the final say about what is work and what is play?
    For example what if the husband decided his family needs a garden for various reasons. Can the wife treat all his time spent building and maintaining that garden as free time or goof off time, so she can watch TV during all that time?
    Or is part of obedience acknowledging his role as head of the house, and respecting what he considers important enough to add to the family's collective work load? What if the husband decided the family needs to homeschool?

    What practical use is the husbands headship of the house, if he isn't allowed to place any obligations/burdens on his family without his wife's consent?


    Any good wife will want her husband to lead her, tell her what to do, and for him to have the final word in everything...

    She will only take the lead when he does not fulfill his duty, and then only with a heavy heart.

    If a husband wants his wife's help he should tell her this.  Us women often are more oblivious than you might think, and if men don't tell us what they are thinking, we sometimes get confused ideas about what they are thinking.

    Whatever the situation is for you...  

    I shall offer some prayers that your troubles be resolved if it be God's will.

    Keep fighting and may God bless you!




    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 07:54:54 AM »
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  • Do you allocate how much time on this particular job?. I love cooking and would spend all day at it but clothes need to be washed which I hate doing.  Both jobs are necessary but I love one and no the other  e I allocate time for both.
    Do you spend too much time on the garden project to the detriment of others? Do you love gardening and that might be why you are accused of goofing off and other jobs don't get done like clearing out the rubbish.
    Both of you work out job priorities together because what is not important to you might be important to her and visa versa.


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    « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2016, 03:54:15 AM »
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  • It's so tragic how it is so taboo that the idea of the wife obeying her husband is so disdained now. I mean Our Lady perfectly obeyed her most chaste spouse St. Joseph. I mean could not at least some married women think seriously at least about the possibility in theory of obeying their husbands?

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    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2016, 06:01:43 AM »
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  • Your wife spends a lot of time watching TV? Do you know what the TV is telling her? Seriously, this is the first problem. You have to get rid of the TV. Have a bonfire.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2016, 07:02:57 AM »
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    It's so tragic how it is so taboo that the idea of the wife obeying her husband is so disdained now. I mean Our Lady perfectly obeyed her most chaste spouse St. Joseph. I mean could not at least some married women think seriously at least about the possibility in theory of obeying their husbands?



    I have known a number of good women who listen to and obey their husbands like little saints!

    I wish that I could be like that one day...

    It certainly is a work in progress though.

    It takes a great deal of humility, patience, self-denial, and prayer for this end to become a good wife.  

    I think that since our society is so against women being docile, we tend to forget ourselves.  I can not speak for everyone, but at least for me, I did not even realize I were standing up to those in authority above me, until someone told me so...  :facepalm:

    God knows we are all trying though, and so the fight goes on!   :pray: