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Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
« on: December 26, 2023, 12:17:33 AM »
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  • Hypothetically speaking, if someone were to play a video game in which their character could pray to statues at the input of the player, would this be idolatry?

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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #1 on: December 26, 2023, 04:16:38 AM »
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  • Who or what do the statues depict?


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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #2 on: December 26, 2023, 04:48:31 AM »
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  • Who or what do the statues depict?
    It would depend on the game.

    For example in the game Ghost of Tsushima you can pray at statues and shrines to the 'kami' for unlockables.

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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #3 on: December 26, 2023, 07:24:55 AM »
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  • This is fiction...fantasy. It is no more idolatry than an actor of film or stage engaging in the same behaviour. It is called pretense.

    Now, of course, Tradistan has very many Tradiban who do not understand pretense because they lack Logos. Caveat peregrinator!
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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #4 on: December 26, 2023, 07:31:09 AM »
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  • This is fiction...fantasy. It is no more idolatry than an actor of film or stage engaging in the same behaviour. It is called pretense.

    Now, of course, Tradistan has very many Tradiban who do not understand pretense because they lack Logos. Caveat peregrinator!
    English please.


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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #5 on: December 26, 2023, 07:57:19 AM »
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  • If Bugs Bunny eats a carrot and says, “Mmmyyyeeaahh, What’s up, Doc?”  Are you guilty of impersonating a physician?”  

    Are you tempted to sin by impersonating a doctor?  
    Are thrilled by conversing with a speaking rabbit?
    Have you become an animist?

    If these questions seem bizarre and your answers are “NO!,” carry on watching the cartoon.  
    If, however, these questions seem worthy of serious thought, get yourself to the nearest psychiatrist, and if he can’t help you, to an exorcist.  

    You need to get help!

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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #6 on: December 26, 2023, 08:43:43 AM »
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  • If Bugs Bunny eats a carrot and says, “Mmmyyyeeaahh, What’s up, Doc?”  Are you guilty of impersonating a physician?” 

    Are you tempted to sin by impersonating a doctor? 
    Are thrilled by conversing with a speaking rabbit?
    Have you become an animist?

    If these questions seem bizarre and your answers are “NO!,” carry on watching the cartoon. 
    If, however, these questions seem worthy of serious thought, get yourself to the nearest psychiatrist, and if he can’t help you, to an exorcist. 

    You need to get help!
    Your condescending tone is only equaled by your lack of comprehension. You've completely disregarded the layer that is important in this discussion. Nobody is asking whether it is OK to act, impersonate or play a character but WHETHER IT IS PERMISSIBILE TO SIMULATE SIN!!!

    Let me pose a couple of clear questions to possibly make this a fruitful discussion.

    Is it permissible to play as an evil character, such as a terrorist?

    Is it permissible to act out an evil character against the faith, such as Luther?

    Is it permissible to act out blasphemy, idolatry or sins against the sixth commandment?


    Instead of mocking people maybe you could've pointed out that for the feast of St. Nicholas Catholics dressed up as a devil (Krampus) and that should stand for something.

    I feel that acting out idolatry shouldn't be done but I'd like to see some authority cited to support this view.

    I don't care one bit about your feelings and especially not for your poisonous attitude towards a soul seeking guidance, you should get off this forum and go pray. 

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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #7 on: December 26, 2023, 10:24:54 AM »
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  • Interesting question.

    It would seem to me that permissibility would hinge on what the purpose for engaging in the pretense is.

    Is it permissible to play as an evil character, such as a terrorist?

    Is it permissible to act out an evil character against the faith, such as Luther?

    Is it permissible to act out blasphemy, idolatry or sins against the sixth commandment?


    Instead of mocking people maybe you could've pointed out that for the feast of St. Nicholas Catholics dressed up as a devil (Krampus) and that should stand for something.

    I feel that acting out idolatry shouldn't be done but I'd like to see some authority cited to support this view.

    So if one were engaged in portraying such as listed above, with the ultimate purpose being to illustrate a truth such as, "For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap.", I would think it permissible, possibly even praiseworthy. See Morality plays and Mysteries. Obviously there being a broad spectrum of representation; from direct historical re-enactment to highly nuanced allegory.

    The danger being that one can just as easily use pretense to illustrate lies and promote sin. See the Theatre or pretty much everything coming out of Hollywood.

    Role playing games are a more difficult question for me though, as the gamer is both the actor and the audience. Is he being led to truth or lies? Innocent entertainment or being desensitized to sin?


    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2023, 03:14:33 PM »
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  • Your condescending tone is only equaled by your lack of comprehension. You've completely disregarded the layer that is important in this discussion. Nobody is asking whether it is OK to act, impersonate or play a character but WHETHER IT IS PERMISSIBILE TO SIMULATE SIN!!!

    Let me pose a couple of clear questions to possibly make this a fruitful discussion.

    Is it permissible to play as an evil character, such as a terrorist?

    Is it permissible to act out an evil character against the faith, such as Luther?

    Is it permissible to act out blasphemy, idolatry or sins against the sixth commandment?


    Instead of mocking people maybe you could've pointed out that for the feast of St. Nicholas Catholics dressed up as a devil (Krampus) and that should stand for something.

    I feel that acting out idolatry shouldn't be done but I'd like to see some authority cited to support this view.

    I don't care one bit about your feelings and especially not for your poisonous attitude towards a soul seeking guidance, you should get off this forum and go pray.
    My points, exactly!  (My NYC sense of humor has backfired.  Sorry.  :pray:)

    I’ll simplify.

    What’s your purpose in simulating sin?     

    Does it tempt you?
    Might it tempt someone else?

    Anything that bothers your conscience or that you suspect may scandalize others, just steer clear of it.

    If it’s to assist others and you are convinced others know it’s something NOT to imitate, then go ahead.




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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #9 on: December 26, 2023, 03:25:12 PM »
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  • Role playing games are a more difficult question for me though, as the gamer is both the actor and the audience. Is he being led to truth or lies? Innocent entertainment or being desensitized to sin?
    Here's a character frome a popular role-playing board game The Resistance: Avalon, could a Catholic play as this?




    Isn't it disturbing enough only to look upon the image?

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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #10 on: December 26, 2023, 03:29:19 PM »
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  • Don't have an answer, but perhaps this might help if you dig a bit:

    Moral Theology, by John A. Mchugh and Charles J. Callan—A Project Gutenberg eBook


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    Re: Question for clergy - On idolatry in video games
    « Reply #11 on: December 26, 2023, 03:34:20 PM »
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  • Here's a character from a popular role-playing board game The Resistance: Avalon, could a Catholic play as this?




    Isn't it disturbing enough only to look upon the image?


    Is he being led to truth or lies? Innocent entertainment or being desensitized to sin?
    I think I already answered your question, unless you are making some point that I am failing to catch. If so, please explain.
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago