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Spanish Sermon Phoenix
« on: October 16, 2017, 11:18:29 AM »
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  • Phoenix SSPX Chapel experimented with two sermons in two different languages at the Sunday High Mass. First the Sermon was said in English then said in Spanish.
    Is this really necessary? The priest claimed it was not political but to save souls.
    Why not have a separate Spanish Sermon Mass?


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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 11:47:51 AM »
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  •  If they have a big congregation of people who do not understand English, the sermons done in Spanish naturally would be good for them. In my experience, most Latino's in the USA understand English although some might not like to speak it because people do not understand them well. I doubt that more than maybe 6 Latinos in your congregation do not understand English altogether, so it is a waste of time to do a bilingual mass in my opinion. 

    I say this because in another chapel I attended no one  ever understood much of anything of the sermon because the priest is French. The speaker system and his accent made it excruciating to try to understand him. Those people have not heard a sermon in years.


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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 02:01:09 PM »
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  • Correction:

    I doubt that more than maybe 6 Latinos in your congregation do not understand English altogether, so it is a waste of time to do a bilingual sermon in my opinion. 

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    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 12:34:35 PM »
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  • In Louisiana Fr. Foltier used to read the epistle in both English and French.
    Now that leaves me scratching my head. Do we have a new French immigrant population in LA that I've not heard about?

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 02:24:27 PM »
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  • Now that leaves me scratching my head. Do we have a new French immigrant population in LA that I've not heard about?
    It was founded by the French.


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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 03:06:03 PM »
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  • If they have a big congregation of people who do not understand English, the sermons done in Spanish naturally would be good for them. In my experience, most Latino's in the USA understand English although some might not like to speak it because people do not understand them well. I doubt that more than maybe 6 Latinos in your congregation do not understand English altogether, so it is a waste of time to do a bilingual mass in my opinion.

    I say this because in another chapel I attended no one  ever understood much of anything of the sermon because the priest is French. The speaker system and his accent made it excruciating to try to understand him. Those people have not heard a sermon in years.
    The very fact that Fr. Pazat felt it was necessary to say it was not political shows the very opposite It will be interesting to see how their little  experiment works out when donations drop and pews empty.The people of OLOS will take just so much before they just leave 
    They still refuse to put the statues back in the church 
    They refuse to install stained glass windows even though they were paid for and they admit they openly they misappropriated the money BUT hey they had 6.000 dollars  for choir books no-one has yet even opened  to be put in the pews 
    now we have a bilingual Mass NOT a Added  Mass time OH NO but our only high Mass of the week is now bi-lingual  

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 05:41:29 PM »
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  • Someone on the other thread ignorantly commented that "not a lot of parishioners have left" OLOS. Anyone who actually lives there knows this is not true. I can count around a dozen members who were there for 25+ years who have left in the last 2 yrs.
    Did they leave a) because of the Spanish Sermons or b) because they grew tired of the modernist leanings of the SSPX?
    I would think that they have left for the latter reason.

    SSPX has been in decline, and appears to be losing clergy and laity worldwide.

    I known some former SSPXers who have left to join other Latin mass fraternities under the Vatican, as they are only interested in going to a Latin Mass wherever it is offered. However, others have become sedevacantists because they have become greatly disillusioned with Francis.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 06:05:05 PM »
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  • Quite right. A heretic is publicly named in the Canon of the mass. But hey! It's in Latin.
    As long as it's in Latin all is good.
    Hey, you got me there.
    I was thinking, "Who is this heretic who is mentioned publicly during the Canon of the mass?"
    Look at all the saints mentioned, the Holy Apostles, etc. Who could this heretic be?
    Then it dawned on me, of course, it is Francis.

    Yes, as long as it's in Latin, all is good. Even though most people cannot stand Francis, they seem oblivious that he is being commemorated during the Canon.

    The people I know who have left the SSPX for the local Latin Mass fraternities do so because they do not like the SSPX priests and/or the parishioners who rub them the wrong way. Yes, they will occasionally attend the SSPX parish, but then their entire day is wrecked. 

    What is wrong here? Personality issues should never be the reason to leave the SSPX or any other parish. None of us  will never be received into Heaven if we fail to forgive all who offend us.




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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 06:43:14 PM »
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  • Someone on the other thread ignorantly commented that "not a lot of parishioners have left" OLOS. Anyone who actually lives there knows this is not true. I can count around a dozen members who were there for 25+ years who have left in the last 2 yrs.
    You are right The parish has not grow one bit. If you go by the numbers more have left then joined
     They were told 3 years ago that the parish would double with the completion of the new church 
     Maybe that is what they are doing with the bi-lingual Masses .I wonder when the street vendors and parishioners dressed as cowboys and prostitutes will start showing up like at the Catholic Church down the street ?? 

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 01:23:46 PM »
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  • I doubt that more than maybe 6 Latinos in your congregation do not understand English altogether, so it is a waste of time to do a bilingual mass in my opinion.
    I think it was done to be more welcoming to them or to compete with the diocesan Spanish-English parish down the road. The demographics of the parish are mostly white, handful of Latinos, and a couple of black families.

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #10 on: October 20, 2017, 07:40:44 PM »
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  • YEAH OK,BUT WHY TAKE AWAY THE ONLY HIGH MASS OF THE WEEK ?? Why not have a 3rd Mass for the Spanish speaking parishioners so none are short changed .No this is a clear case of forced integration Problem is now people who never gave all this a second thought are now up in arms

    Guess Fr. Stafki misjudged his flock of sheep 


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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
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  • YEAH OK,BUT WHY TAKE AWAY THE ONLY HIGH MASS OF THE WEEK ?? Why not have a 3rd Mass for the Spanish speaking parishioners so none are short changed .No this is a clear case of forced integration Problem is now people who never gave all this a second thought are now up in arms

    Guess Fr. Stafki misjudged his flock of sheep
    Or that was his (Switzerland's) plan all along

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 01:07:15 AM »
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  •  :incense:
    It is good that the SSPX is reaching out to the Mexicans with the Mass of the Cristeros.  They too need the true Mass and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.  Nothing wrong with sermon in Spanish and English.  They need  to be corrected and educated  so they vote pro-life. Educate them about real immigration so they can become legal.  Evangelizing them with the truth of Jesus is Catholic.  

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 01:10:45 AM »
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  • Our Lady of the Rosary Library has excellent sound reasonably priced Catholic literature in Spanish.  Check them out. 

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    Re: Spanish Sermon Phoenix
    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 02:14:28 AM »
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  • The very fact that Fr. Pazat felt it was necessary to say it was not political shows the very opposite It will be interesting to see how their little  experiment works out when donations drop and pews empty.The people of OLOS will take just so much before they just leave
    They still refuse to put the statues back in the church
    They refuse to install stained glass windows even though they were paid for and they admit they openly they misappropriated the money BUT hey they had 6.000 dollars  for choir books no-one has yet even opened  to be put in the pews
    now we have a bilingual Mass NOT a Added  Mass time OH NO but our only high Mass of the week is now bi-lingual  
    I thought that the TLM was in Latin.
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