Author Topic: South African Youth (Read 1236 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** April 18, 2017, 05:21:34 AM »

Hi All, I just wanted your opinion on the following. Is this normal in other SSPX churches.

In South Africa (SA) there are very few parishioners in all the priories. We are losing parishioners due to deaths of the elderlly and emigration. Added to that are the youth stop attending once they finish high school. The youth that are left find it increasingly difficult to find marriage partners and many are left feeling despondent.

It has come to my attention that in the past year a youth group was setup in SA. What troubled me was that the youth group was used to find partners. The three organisers of the youth camp found themselves partners at the youth camp. I also heard that some of the youth who did not attend the camp had asked to change the date to make it so that more people to attend. I was told that the organisers refused but did not give a reason for refusing. Seems to me there was an urgency in that they needed to find themselves partners. Furthermore the youth that did not attend asked that the conferences be recorded so that they could hear what they missed. To date there has been no communication regarding what was discussed.

When I look at youth groups in other countries there are structures in place and there seems to be cintinuity and growth. In SA there is just a youth camp once a year where people find partners. Furthermore I have noticed that the young woman who lead these youth camps have had multiple partners and was even in a long term relationship bu still entertainined the advances of a Catholic youth at the camp. This young lady then left her partner of many years for the young man she met over the weekend of the camp. This makes me wonder what happened at the camp for couples to be formed in a space of 3 nights. One of the youth who attended the camp also informed me that there was no priest present for the first two days and nights of the camp and that one priest did arrive on the last night. Why were young adults of the opposite sex left unattended to? This is grave issue.

One other thing I noticed is the dressing of young ladies that attend the SSPX mass. Young ladies wearing mini skirts, sleevless tops and see-through blouses are given communion by the priest. I have even seen ladies with pants receive communion in an SSPX church. This makes me very upset since it is a bad example for my young daughters and a temptation to my sons.

One thing I know is that parents and priests are failing our youth in South Africa and I do not see a future here for the SSPX.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2017, 07:39:06 AM »

What if they can't afford a skirt or modest dress? The poverty in South Africa is worse than here.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2017, 09:49:01 AM »

It is not the poor girls that dress immodestly but rather the rich ones. However poverty does not justify immodesty, many of our saints and even the BVM lived in poverty but did not use this as an excuse for immodesty.

The girls who dress immodestly attend private schools in SA, attend the top universities in SA and their parents drive expensive cars such as Mercedes, BMW. Hondas to name a few. Yes, while the poverty in SA is bad this is only the case in the township parishes, although I see that they do not use this as an excuse to dress immodestly. The two main mass centers consist of majoritywell-off European and Indian families who have no excuse for immodest dressing. Young men and girls wear designer shoes and clothes and have the lastest cell phones. I am certain that more than one modest outfit can be purchased with the same money spent on immodest clothing.

Have you been to South Africa?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2017, 10:42:40 AM »

Is this the area where Father Scott is located?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2017, 10:44:53 AM »

Is it true that in Africa many of the students at SSPX schools are NOT Catholic?
I believe I read this about a year ago in one of their newsletters.

Nadir · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2017, 05:42:53 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on April 18, 2017, 05:21:34 AM

....The youth that are left find it increasingly difficult to find marriage partners and many are left feeling despondent.

It has come to my attention that in the past year a youth group was setup in SA. What troubled me was that the youth group was used to find partners. The three organisers of the youth camp found themselves partners at the youth camp. I also heard that some of the youth who did not attend the camp had asked to change the date to make it so that more people to attend. I was told that the organisers refused but did not give a reason for refusing. Seems to me there was an urgency in that they needed to find themselves partners. Furthermore the youth that did not attend asked that the conferences be recorded so that they could hear what they missed. To date there has been no communication regarding what was discussed.
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One thing I know is that parents and priests are failing our youth in South Africa and I do not see a future here for the SSPX.

Difficulty in finding a spouse is the same in all western countries. Many threads here have shown it. In days when parents arranged marriages for their children it was a different matter. But for "youth", left to their own devices to find a spouse, find it very difficult.
I do not see anything wrong with the concept of youth camps. It is a good way to bring young people together on a social level and is not a bad thing per se. They are mixing with fellow Catholics which is a good way to find a Catholic spouse.
Your use of the word partner is a bit confusing to me. What do you mean by partner? In my country that word has come to mean a de-facto marriage. I presume, or at least hope, that by partner you mean a suitor. It sounds a bit like you are going on hearsay, although it also sounds that there is reason for concern.
Was this camp run in the name of SSPX or was it organised entirely independently as in young people getting together of their own accord?
I wonder also how you define "youth".
One could decide on a marriage partner over the time span of a weekend. Though I was not "youth" when I met my spouse, I decided he was the man for me on our first meeting on one evening. This was confirmed over our <3 months courtship, and 35 years later I still think I made a good decision.
But the fact that "this young lady (had) a partner of many years" is a bad thing. If you can't decide in a short while whether or not marriage is going to eventuate, she seems to be not a good person to be organising a "youth" camp. Long relationships like this are rarely advisable.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2017, 04:49:29 AM »

Yes Fr Scott is the parish priest for one of the South African parishes. He also runs the school. He is a good and devout priest.

Nadir, I understand that youth camps are a good thing to get like minded Catholics together but what is the point of this if it is a once a year event. The youth should play an active part in the church. In one parish where the majority of youth are this cannot be seen. The elderly members of the church some over 80 run the bookshop, jumble sales and library. Shouldn't the youth be involved since they are the future of the church. It does not help attending the youth camp and finding a husband or wife and that's the end of it all. This is not what Archbishop Lefebvre would have promoted. In that case SSPX schools can mix boys and girls and encourage finding a husband and wife rather than using the guise of youth camp.

Nadir, my apologies I actually meant boyfriend rather than partner. This is nor hearsay, it was known that this young lady had this boyfriend for over 5 years and was still in this relationship when she attended the camp. Yet she still entertained the advances of another youth at the camp knowing fully well that she had a boyfriend. This is not the behaviour of a pious Catholic girl. The camp was organised in the name of the SSPX and this is what upsets me. The camp was organised by youth with no guidance from the priests. The priest did gave their consent for the organisation of the camp. This brings the SSPX into disrepute. It makes me wonder if our SSPX priests in SA have lost the plot. How do I tell my young daughters and sons that this is not the correct way to behave if the priests support this? It is easy now because they are young but what do I do when they are teenagers and have the current youth as their role models. There will come a stage where my children and I will lose our faith because our priests have failed us.

Nadir · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2017, 06:12:41 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on May 03, 2017, 04:49:29 AM

Nadir, I understand that youth camps are a good thing to get like minded Catholics together but what is the point of this if it is a once a year event. The youth should play an active part in the church. In one parish where the majority of youth are this cannot be seen. The elderly members of the church some over 80 run the bookshop, jumble sales and library. Shouldn't the youth be involved since they are the future of the church. It does not help attending the youth camp and finding a husband or wife and that's the end of it all. This is not what Archbishop Lefebvre would have promoted. In that case SSPX schools can mix boys and girls and encourage finding a husband and wife rather than using the guise of youth camp.

Nadir, my apologies I actually meant boyfriend rather than partner. This is nor hearsay, it was known that this young lady had this boyfriend for over 5 years and was still in this relationship when she attended the camp. Yet she still entertained the advances of another youth at the camp knowing fully well that she had a boyfriend. This is not the behaviour of a pious Catholic girl. The camp was organised in the name of the SSPX and this is what upsets me. The camp was organised by youth with no guidance from the priests. The priest did gave their consent for the organisation of the camp. This brings the SSPX into disrepute. It makes me wonder if our SSPX priests in SA have lost the plot. How do I tell my young daughters and sons that this is not the correct way to behave if the priests support this? It is easy now because they are young but what do I do when they are teenagers and have the current youth as their role models. There will come a stage where my children and I will lose our faith because our priests have failed us.

Re the first bolded statement: That sounds a bit like what I used to hear when I attended the Novus Ordo.
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Re the second bolded statement: I understand that the reason that boys and girls are separated in school is because girls and boys have different educational needs and learn best in a class of peers of the same sex as themselves. Traditionally boys and girls have always been educated separately. School was never a place to find a marriage partner. Children in the school setting are younger than you would expect a Youth Group to be, and so not yet ready to marry.
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About the third: Have you broached the subject with the priest/s involved (or uninvolved but consenting)?

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