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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2023, 04:54:30 PM »
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  • My first suggestion is to share with the forum your son’s trade and training, as every craft, trade, skill, or profession will have its distinctive obstacles and opportunities.  There may be those here who have a background in your son’s field and could offer very relevant advice.
     
    Some generic suggestions might be:
    1.      If the trade he is trained in has a union that represents it he might look into their apprenticeship program.  As he already has certification he will have a head start on the other apprentices and will come out of the program with verifiable experience.  In SE WA where I live the apprentice programs pay way above minimum wage, which in WA is $16.28 per hour.
    2.      I don’t know if he went to a public Vo-tech school (such as at a community college) or a for profit private one.  The public training programs typically will have guidance counselors / career coaches and a “jobs board”, he should look into these programs.  Employers often look to trade schools for workers and may have an apprenticeship program where one can get experience.
    3.      In an internet search engine type “Worksource” and the name of your state.  Most, if not all, states have employment offices which increasingly are operating under a common “Worksource” banner.  These have extensive and searchable “Help Wanted” and “Looking for Work” boards, and one can post their resume for potential employers to review.  They often offer many other services, such as helping someone write a cover letter and resume that gets noticed and gets results, doing mock interviews, and providing other practical tips.
     
    I will include your son on my prayer list.  I must also say that I was absolutely SHOCKED at replies #1 and #2 to your post (may have been from the same person, I can almost guess who it is).  Someone who can’t compose a grammatically correct English sentence and then makes insulting and random assumptions about someone they know nothing about is not one to take advice from.
     
    Again, I pray that things will come together for your son.
    Thank you.  Good advice.  I was shocked by response #1 and #2 as well.
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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #16 on: December 12, 2023, 05:34:29 PM »
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  • Because of lack of confidence he tends to apply for janitor and maintenance man jobs which are really beneath his level.  How can he get the experience in his field that he needs to get hired?
    Why on earth do you think a janitor or maintenance man job is beneath him?  These are important jobs that need to be done and working these jobs give men experience in doing work.  


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #17 on: December 12, 2023, 05:38:56 PM »
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  • Why on earth do you think a janitor or maintenance man job is beneath him?  These are important jobs that need to be done and working these jobs give men experience in doing work. 
    Beneath his skill level. As I stated he is a certified electrician and hvac technician.  He also was an irrigation technician for almost 2 years. Obviously he is capable of more than just cleaning toilets and mopping floors despite how important those jobs are to society. Please don't read into something that I never wrote. We just moved a few months ago and he's having a really hard time breaking into this job market. Where we lived previously we had contacts and we don't know anybody here.

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #18 on: December 12, 2023, 05:45:42 PM »
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  • Please don't read into something that I never wrote.
    You must be new here. ;)

    Seriously, though, take courage; God always provides for his own, even if we can't see how He is going to do it.

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #19 on: December 12, 2023, 06:03:38 PM »
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  • I teach at an IBEW Union electrical trade school as a second job. I will say that “Freemasons” is a really poor excuse for not joining a union. Unfortunately, Masons are everywhere and in almost every institution. You won’t live in a cave in South America (they are numerous there as well) and get away from them. Most are unsuspecting people who have no idea about the history of their club. 

    If you dig deep into the trades, you will find that many Unions are anti-Communist openly in their declarations. The IBEW, for example, is anti-communist, patriotic and pro-God openly in their constitution. That doesn’t mean they are without problems. They have many problems. But so will any job or career your son lands. They are also vulgar at times (all trades). I would say toughen up and stay fervent in prayer. 

    I personally use parts of orientation volumes of class lessons to promote Catholic principles. There are many encyclicals which have helped me in this. The very best is the one with the foreward by Bishop Williamson sold by Angelus press “Quadragessimo anno”. 

    The benefit of a Union apprenticeship is that you gain the knowledge and experience as you study. Then when you finish, anyone will beg you to work for them. It opens so many doors. Try an elevator union. In my area they make 70 dollars an hour. 

    New York even has a St. Joseph the Worker Union coalition. 
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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #20 on: December 12, 2023, 06:06:06 PM »
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  • Right now across the country, electrician IbEW jobs are bringing in close to 2 grand a week easily. 

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #21 on: December 12, 2023, 06:08:29 PM »
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  • I teach at an IBEW Union electrical trade school as a second job. I will say that “Freemasons” is a really poor excuse for not joining a union. Unfortunately, Masons are everywhere and in almost every institution. You won’t live in a cave in South America (they are numerous there as well) and get away from them. Most are unsuspecting people who have no idea about the history of their club.

    If you dig deep into the trades, you will find that many Unions are anti-Communist openly in their declarations. The IBEW, for example, is anti-communist, patriotic and pro-God openly in their constitution. That doesn’t mean they are without problems. They have many problems. But so will any job or career your son lands. They are also vulgar at times (all trades). I would say toughen up and stay fervent in prayer.

    I personally use parts of orientation volumes of class lessons to promote Catholic principles. There are many encyclicals which have helped me in this. The very best is the one with the foreward by Bishop Williamson sold by Angelus press “Quadragessimo anno”.

    The benefit of a Union apprenticeship is that you gain the knowledge and experience as you study. Then when you finish, anyone will beg you to work for them. It opens so many doors. Try an elevator union. In my area they make 70 dollars an hour.

    New York even has a St. Joseph the Worker Union coalition.
    Thanks for this.  I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to encourage him to join the union. He firmly believes they are all Freemasons.

    I do appreciate the helpful comments on this thread. It certainly is lifting my spirits. I want to be able to maintain a positive and cheerful disposition to encourage him to keep trying.

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #22 on: December 12, 2023, 08:28:35 PM »
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  • My 21 yo son was fired from his new job after only three weeks.  They said he made too many mistakes and didn't fit in (the culture is very vulgar and profane).  Even though he went to a vo-tech school and is certified in a trade he can't get hired because he has no experience.  Even entry level jobs want 3 years experience.

    Because of lack of confidence he tends to apply for janitor and maintenance man jobs which are really beneath his level.  How can he get the experience in his field that he needs to get hired?
    I wish your son the best . He’s just starting out in life . This is a tough job market . Tell him to keep improving at his trade or craft. I see many of the neo-SSPX nut jobs have told you to move to St Mary’s. Apparently they don’t understand the SSPX is purely in it for the money. The best to both of you. 


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #23 on: December 13, 2023, 08:21:06 AM »
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  • Freemasons
    Your taxes, and a lot of where your other money directly/indirectly goes to these  "freemasons" or straight to the Zionist/Jew effort. We don't have a say in this. But I understand his concerns about unions. 

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #24 on: December 13, 2023, 11:43:58 AM »
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  • Thanks for this thoughtful reply. He's a certified residential electrician (not licensed) and HVAC tech. He also has a TWIC card for maritime employment  and a clean FBI background check. He doesn't want to join the union and so they won't help a non-member in our community.

    Why not join a union?  There's nothing inherently wrong with a union.  Alternatively, he could apprentice out (even if for free or a reduced wage) to some independent HVAC company (there are many).  Just tell them he'll work for low wages (or even free) ... in order to get the experience.  Short term loss, but long term gain.  I recall when I switched from computer hardware into an entry-level programming job.  I took a significant paycut, and my dad was not happy with me.  I told him that longer term it made sense, as I had hit the peak for what I could make doing computer hardware.  Within 2 years, I was back at my original wage, and in 5 years, I was making double what I had been in computer hardware.

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #25 on: December 13, 2023, 11:51:05 AM »
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  • Freemasons

    Nonsense.  He's not joining a lodge, but a labor union.  Only bad thing about unions is that they'll donate to Leftist political causes, but that would entail a material cooperation, which he can do in order to make a living.  He can stay there until he gets the experience and then leave if he wants to.


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #26 on: December 16, 2023, 08:00:14 AM »
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  • My 21 yo son was fired from his new job after only 3 weeks.  They said he made too many mistakes and didn't fit in 
    Why didn't he fit in? Did he come off as priggish or superior? Do the other guys dislike him ? Since he doesn't have friends in the area he needs to join the union. Why is he afraid to work in his own field? Does he repeatedly get fired? 

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    « Reply #27 on: December 16, 2023, 08:02:00 AM »
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  • He can go into business himself for local electric needs. 

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #28 on: December 16, 2023, 08:07:30 AM »
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  • Why didn't he fit in? He rejected his co-workers attempts to join in conversation about fornication and he doesn't use profanity.  Did he come off as priggish or superior? No, he keeps to himself and does his work.  Do the other guys dislike him ? No Since he doesn't have friends in the area he needs to join the union. Why is he afraid to work in his own field? Does he repeatedly get fired? No this was the first time.  
    The reason the owner of the company gave for firing him was that he needed someone who already knew how to build electronic panels.  He hired my son knowing he had no experience and thought it might work out but it didn't.  The owner didn't realize that electrical and electronics are not exactly the same things.  He was not fired for personal reasons.  

    Anyway, the issue is resolved as my son is scheduled to sit for his Comp TIA Network+ in January and he's going into IT.  He took several classes in November and has been studying for the exam after he lost his job.  

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #29 on: December 16, 2023, 08:30:36 AM »
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  • In defense of the two individuals who posted "mean" posts, I was thinking some of those same thoughts myself AS I READ THE THREAD, IN ORDER.

    VERY LITTLE INFORMATION WAS POSTED ORIGINALLY. We don't know this guy or his son. It could easily be one of those situations where the parents have all the ambition/maturity and the children (even over 30) are rather immature. That is a thing now. How are we supposed to automatically know that isn't the case?

    Since this was posted anonymously, we don't even know who the mature one (parent) is in this situation. We knew almost nothing about the situation.

    And no, you're not going to get "doxxed" by posting your specific trade. Give me a break! That was a bit paranoid, you gotta admit.

    Allow me to demonstrate the absurdity:

    "Did you say plumber? This is John, isn't it! John Snow from Kansas City, MO! You just screwed up, buddy. You'll be out of the SSPX chapel by next week, Mr. Unemployed Bum's father. We completely hate you now for some reason (being unemployed?) and we'll make sure you never work in this town again. C-ya!"

    But seriously though, thank you for filling in many of the details.
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