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Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
« on: December 12, 2023, 09:15:39 AM »
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  • My 21 yo son was fired from his new job after only 3 weeks.  They said he made too many mistakes and didn't fit in (the culture is very vulgar and profane).  Even though he went to a vo-tech school and is certified in a trade he can't get hired because he has no experience.  Even entry level jobs want 3 years experience.

    Because of lack of confidence he tends to apply for janitor and maintenance man jobs which are really beneath his level.  How can he get the experience in his field that he needs to get hired?

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2023, 09:22:44 AM »
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  • He needs to grow up.  Put away childish ways.  

    He should apply for the jobs in the trade he is qualified for.   

    There are plenty of jobs looking to hire anyone with good work ethics and little experience.  

    He might have to move to get a job. 


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #2 on: December 12, 2023, 09:34:35 AM »
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  • Maybe he doesn’t want to work.  Why work when parents or parent spoil him? 

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #3 on: December 12, 2023, 09:40:53 AM »
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  • Maybe he doesn’t want to work.  Why work when parents or parent spoil him?
    His last job was 60+ hrs a week doing manual labor for 2.5 years.  No, it's not that he doesn't want to work.  It's that he's afraid to pursue jobs in his field that he trained in. 


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2023, 10:23:18 AM »
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  • What trade is he certified in?

    The trades are vulgar. He'll need to build a tolerance for it. Doesn't mean anything goes. But you have to be able to let a lot go. 


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2023, 11:30:46 AM »
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  • My 21 yo son was fired from his new job after only 3 weeks.  They said he made too many mistakes and didn't fit in (the culture is very vulgar and profane). 

    That does happen. I've found it interesting how totally different the atmosphere can be in different companies, even when they are in the same field. Even if he hadn't been fired, going elsewhere is OK.

    Even though he went to a vo-tech school and is certified in a trade he can't get hired because he has no experience.  Even entry level jobs want 3 years experience.

    Because of lack of confidence he tends to apply for janitor and maintenance man jobs which are really beneath his level.  How can he get the experience in his field that he needs to get hired?

    Even a good trade school, and many of them are not, only gives a start to learning a trade. But, at the least, the school should be in contact with prospective employers and be willing to give him leads.

    Do you know anyone involved in the same trade? Even a casual acquaintance can often open a door.
    Many companies, especially small & medium, often do not advertise job openings because they do not have time to sort through a bunch of poor candidates. They instead rely on social contacts and word of mouth.

    He's still pretty young and capable of change, but an honest assessment of his attitude towards his work will help in looking for a good fit. What I mean by that is, how does he do his work? Is he very detail conscious, a perfectionist? Then he needs to find a place that has a quality-first reputation.

    Or is he a hard worker, but not so particular? There's a place for that as well.


    My advice is to pray, then keep looking for a company that is a good fit.
    Will keep him in my :pray:.
     


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    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #6 on: December 12, 2023, 11:39:53 AM »
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  • His last job was 60+ hrs a week doing manual labor for 2.5 years.  No, it's not that he doesn't want to work.  It's that he's afraid to pursue jobs in his field that he trained in.
    IS he willing to move to St. Marys, KS? If so have him come and make know his trade, then get introduced to the main contractors and businessmen here, if he does his part and if God Will it, then he will get a job. Have him arrive go to the SSPX Church or the SAJM Chape and ask a man of the parish that he wants to send a note on the unofficial St. Mary's e-mail list or ask to be introduced to the businessmen that are in a similar trade. 

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #7 on: December 12, 2023, 11:49:43 AM »
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  • It would take a pattern to evaluate if he cant "maintain" employment. You only mentioned this one vocational job that lasted three weeks. 

    I have been let go/fired only once before, but that was my first career job and I was there for 1.5 years. I didn't have the foresight to quit when the writing was on the wall.  Now 3 weeks seems like the employer knew something off the bat within a week. To me, it takes at least 6 months to know if someone is fit. People have time to adjust (or not adjust)

    I'm glad I was let go to be honest. The people there sucked and I was in a position I should have had experience in. In this case,  I also did not fit it with the 4 year university fancie pants . This day and age, the 20's are going to suck for you grinders. A lot of trial and error. I know very successful, well-to-do people who have been laid off/fired. It's par for the course for most of us today.


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #8 on: December 12, 2023, 01:37:55 PM »
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  • My first suggestion is to share with the forum your son’s trade and training, as every craft, trade, skill, or profession will have its distinctive obstacles and opportunities.  There may be those here who have a background in your son’s field and could offer very relevant advice.
     
    Some generic suggestions might be:
    1.      If the trade he is trained in has a union that represents it he might look into their apprenticeship program.  As he already has certification he will have a head start on the other apprentices and will come out of the program with verifiable experience.  In SE WA where I live the apprentice programs pay way above minimum wage, which in WA is $16.28 per hour.
    2.      I don’t know if he went to a public Vo-tech school (such as at a community college) or a for profit private one.  The public training programs typically will have guidance counselors / career coaches and a “jobs board”, he should look into these programs.  Employers often look to trade schools for workers and may have an apprenticeship program where one can get experience.
    3.      In an internet search engine type “Worksource” and the name of your state.  Most, if not all, states have employment offices which increasingly are operating under a common “Worksource” banner.  These have extensive and searchable “Help Wanted” and “Looking for Work” boards, and one can post their resume for potential employers to review.  They often offer many other services, such as helping someone write a cover letter and resume that gets noticed and gets results, doing mock interviews, and providing other practical tips.
     
    I will include your son on my prayer list.  I must also say that I was absolutely SHOCKED at replies #1 and #2 to your post (may have been from the same person, I can almost guess who it is).  Someone who can’t compose a grammatically correct English sentence and then makes insulting and random assumptions about someone they know nothing about is not one to take advice from.
     
    Again, I pray that things will come together for your son.



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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #9 on: December 12, 2023, 01:46:04 PM »
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  • I'd recommend trying to talk to friends to get a lead on a position. You won't get anywhere with job postings. Depending on his trade, he could try doing freelance work and put that on his resume. (take my words with a grain of salt since I am young and haven't started my career yet. I am going off what I've seen with job postings and how I've heard about people entering apprenticeships and the like)
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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #10 on: December 12, 2023, 01:46:41 PM »
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  • I must also say that I was absolutely SHOCKED at replies #1 and #2 to your post (may have been from the same person, I can almost guess who it is).  Someone who can’t compose a grammatically correct English sentence and then makes insulting and random assumptions about someone they know nothing about is not one to take advice from.
    Were you really shocked by someone behaving badly in an anonymous thread, Moneil? :cowboy: :laugh1:


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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #11 on: December 12, 2023, 02:16:50 PM »
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  • Maybe he doesn’t want to work.  Why work when parents or parent spoil him?
    Why on earth would you assume that? 🤦‍♀️

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #12 on: December 12, 2023, 02:17:11 PM »
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  • My first suggestion is to share with the forum your son’s trade and training, as every craft, trade, skill, or profession will have its distinctive obstacles and opportunities.  There may be those here who have a background in your son’s field and could offer very relevant advice.
     
    Some generic suggestions might be:
    1.      If the trade he is trained in has a union that represents it he might look into their apprenticeship program.  As he already has certification he will have a head start on the other apprentices and will come out of the program with verifiable experience.  In SE WA where I live the apprentice programs pay way above minimum wage, which in WA is $16.28 per hour.
    2.      I don’t know if he went to a public Vo-tech school (such as at a community college) or a for profit private one.  The public training programs typically will have guidance counselors / career coaches and a “jobs board”, he should look into these programs.  Employers often look to trade schools for workers and may have an apprenticeship program where one can get experience.
    3.      In an internet search engine type “Worksource” and the name of your state.  Most, if not all, states have employment offices which increasingly are operating under a common “Worksource” banner.  These have extensive and searchable “Help Wanted” and “Looking for Work” boards, and one can post their resume for potential employers to review.  They often offer many other services, such as helping someone write a cover letter and resume that gets noticed and gets results, doing mock interviews, and providing other practical tips.
     
    I will include your son on my prayer list.  I must also say that I was absolutely SHOCKED at replies #1 and #2 to your post (may have been from the same person, I can almost guess who it is).  Someone who can’t compose a grammatically correct English sentence and then makes insulting and random assumptions about someone they know nothing about is not one to take advice from.
     
    Again, I pray that things will come together for your son.
    Thanks for this thoughtful reply. He's a certified residential electrician (not licensed) and HVAC tech. He also has a TWIC card for maritime employment  and a clean FBI background check. He doesn't want to join the union and so they won't help a non-member in our community.

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    Re: Son Struggling to Maintain Employment
    « Reply #13 on: December 12, 2023, 04:07:37 PM »
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  • Why won't he join the union? That sounds like a big part of the problem. 

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  • Why won't he join the union? That sounds like a big part of the problem.
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