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Do you wear sleeves above the elbow? Do you let your kids wear sleeves above the elbow?

Yes
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No
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Sleeves Above the Elbow
« Reply #190 on: April 03, 2026, 02:18:31 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 03, 2026, 12:11:14 PM
Certain styles covered all skin.

You have a very weak case you are making.
The rules for modesty dont come from the Church. They  come from nature.
So you’re arguing that the Church cannot rule on modesty?  That the Church can err on “faith and MORALS”?  No, She cannot.  
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Sleeves Above the Elbow
« Reply #191 on: April 03, 2026, 02:19:34 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 03, 2026, 02:08:33 PM
No it's called gradualism. Our Lady of Fatima warned of changes in attire that would be very displeasing to God.
Ok, so you’re are saying that the 2 bishops and the pope's cleric erred and promoted sin.  :facepalm:
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Sleeves Above the Elbow
« Reply #192 on: April 03, 2026, 02:21:49 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 03, 2026, 02:08:33 PM
No it's called gradualism. Our Lady of Fatima warned of changes in attire that would be very displeasing to God.
You're off topic.  No one is saying that showing more skin is good.  Or better.  It’s not.  

The debate is — if the church allows something, can that send someone to hell?  The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!  
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Sleeves Above the Elbow
« Reply #193 on: April 03, 2026, 02:25:18 PM »
Wasn't Rigorism condemned by the Pope?

Of course clothes like the nuns used to wear, or like a cassock, are more modest. It is obvious, but if it was so important, the Church would have already set rules on a strict dress code for lay people.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Sleeves Above the Elbow
« Reply #194 on: April 03, 2026, 02:29:24 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 03, 2026, 02:25:18 PM
Wasn't Rigorism condemned by the Pope?

Of course clothes like the nuns used to wear, or like a cassock, are more modest. It is obvious, but if it was so important, the Church would have already set rules on a strict dress code for lay people.
Quick google search 

Rigorism was condemned in 1690 by Alexander VIII, who listed among Jansenistic teachings the doctrine of Sinnich: "It is not lawful to follow a probable opinion, even if it is most probable among probable opinions"

The church did give rules for modesty for women, that's what this whole thread is about. Now they didn't give it for men as it clearly wasn't an issue for men back then, and with vatican 2 anti-popes you can't expect the Church to update her guidelines in this regard anytime soon.
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