Author Topic: Shunning (Read 2255 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** October 04, 2013, 02:20:03 PM »

Should Traditional Catholics adopt the practice of shunning? Specifically, if a family member leaves the faith, should he be shunned by the family until he repents?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2013, 03:09:02 PM »

"Leaving the faith" in what way? I'd think if the family member is choosing an SSPX chapel instead of a closer independent chapel, absolutely not you don't shun them, that's stupid. If they're not going because all they have is NO and the priest is scandalous, applaud that family member for staying away, as they're doing the right thing. If they're leaving an RCC rite because of Bergoglio, that's not "leaving the faith" so much as "gaining their soul". Stand up and cheer that they got out of that mess.

If they're going to a protestant service, like the Lutherans, or the conciliar church, I'd ask my priest to see what he thinks. I don't like it myself, but I'd think it would depends on the depravity of the place. (FSSP seems nice, for example.)

If they started practicing witchcraft or earth worship, they are DEAD to you. Not just shunned; DEAD to you. Unless it's your spouse, then you'd have get your priest to bring in an exorcist from somewhere.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2013, 03:29:59 PM »

Short answer: No.

Long answer: if the person is a threat to the faith of your children, a weak spouse, etc. other accommodations should be made first. No private visits, next step might be no contact with children, and just you meeting them to keep on good terms at a neutral location.

It all depends on the risk of scandal or harm to faith, in some cases there is none, so the best thing to do is pray and be an example.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2013, 03:48:16 PM »

If someone I knew did something like becoming a sodomite, I would shun them.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2013, 04:42:04 PM »

Shunning is a protestant thing. It's not Catholic.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2013, 04:48:52 PM »

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Shunning is a protestant thing. It's not Catholic.

Then why is there excommunication?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2013, 05:43:46 PM »

Setting boundaries with them usually results in them shunning you. Problem solved.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2013, 08:50:11 PM »

No. We are Catholics, not Amish.

Not that I have anything in particular against the Amish.

Frances · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2013, 10:50:37 PM »

:heretic:
I've seen shunning destroy two Amish families. This is what happened a year ago to Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Chazal. It didn't work, did it? Bp. Williamson was shunned by putting him into an attic. That didn't work, either! When used to punish, the motive of charity is missing. If you truly care for another's soul, it seems you will avoid the erring party in so far as matters of faith and morals. To cut a man's family off from the community upon which he is dependent is not charity. In both Amish cases, all of the children (total of eleven) of the outcast families came to hate God, and they prove it by their worldly, wicked lives.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2013, 01:43:40 PM »

Heresy is like cancer. It needs to be cut off and cast aside in order for the rest of the body to remain healthy.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2013, 01:52:25 PM »

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Heresy is like cancer. It needs to be cut off and cast aside in order for the rest of the body to remain healthy.

Just keep this joke in mind:

"I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?"

I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious."

I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian."

I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant."

I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?" He said, "Baptist!"

I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist church of god or Baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!"

I said, "Me too! Are you original Baptist church of god, or are you reformed Baptist church of god?" He said, "Reformed Baptist church of god!"

I said, "Me too! Are you reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!"

I said, "Die, heretic scuм," and pushed him off.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2013, 04:37:08 PM »

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Should Traditional Catholics adopt the practice of shunning? Specifically, if a family member leaves the faith, should he be shunned by the family until he repents?

This Question from the Summa is pertinent;

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May one associate with Unbelievers?

I answer that, Communication with a particular person is forbidden to the faithful, in two ways: first, as a punishment of the person with whom they are forbidden to communicate; secondly, for the safety of those who are forbidden to communicate with others. Both motives can be gathered from the Apostle's words (1 Corinthians 5:6). For after he had pronounced sentence of excommunication, he adds as his reason: "Know you not that a little leaven corrupts the whole lump?" and afterwards he adds the reason on the part of the punishment inflicted by the sentence of the Church when he says (1 Corinthians 5:12): "Do not you judge them that are within?"

Accordingly, in the first way the Church does not forbid the faithful to communicate with unbelievers, who have not in any way received the Christian faith, viz. with pagans and Jєωs, because she has not the right to exercise spiritual judgment over them, but only temporal judgment, in the case when, while dwelling among Christians they are guilty of some misdemeanor, and are condemned by the faithful to some temporal punishment. On the other hand, in this way, i.e. as a punishment, the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.

With regard to the second way, it seems that one ought to distinguish according to the various conditions of persons, circuмstances and time. For some are firm in the faith; and so it is to be hoped that their communicating with unbelievers will lead to the conversion of the latter rather than to the aversion of the faithful from the faith. These are not to be forbidden to communicate with unbelievers who have not received the faith, such as pagans or Jєωs, especially if there be some urgent necessity for so doing. But in the case of simple people and those who are weak in the faith, whose perversion is to be feared as a probable result, they should be forbidden to communicate with unbelievers, and especially to be on very familiar terms with them, or to communicate with them without necessity.

Things are not perfectly straightforward, of course, but it is clear that those people comparing shunning apostates to being Amish and not Catholic are not speaking with the mind of the Church.

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