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Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
« on: March 14, 2014, 01:50:48 PM »
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  • If a man who has been widowed for many years has a shrine to his deceased wife (a photo, religious items, flowers, candle etc) in a rather prominent place in the home, and he remarries:

    Should he take down the shrine altogether in deference to the new wife?

    Move it to a less noticeable spot?

    Just remove the photo?

    Leave it all where it is and ask the new wife to pray for her soul too?

    Should the new wife be offended?

    Would it be weird if she let him keep it there?

    Would she be wrong to ask him to remove it?

    Would it different if the widow is a woman and the shrine is for her deceased husband?


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    « Reply #1 on: March 14, 2014, 02:22:53 PM »
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  • If there are still children living at hime, I  think confining the pics of LW or LH to the step-children's room would be appropriate.


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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 02:26:15 PM »
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  • Hmmm, this sounds familiar as I posted about a family member having a shrine in his home to honor his deceased wife.  

    The lady he is courting is NOT offended but rather finds it to be sweet.  I get the impression should they marry the husband would willingly move it to a private place in the home without the new wife needing to ask.  

    Out of charity for the new wife it should be moved as the new wife is the true wife of the man.  If she is not a widow and they marry she will receive the nuptial blessing of all new brides.  The deceased wife is NOT his wife.

    Out of charity for the husband the new wife should not cause pain to him over this though.

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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 02:56:44 PM »
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  • This is a decision that has to be made depending on how the various family members feel about it. The peace in the current home is the first priority...

    Some folks will react differently than others..



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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 03:39:14 PM »
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  • I think it greatly depends on just what exactly the "shrine" is.  If it is a couple of photos on a mantle with a rosary or other religious item, I think it would be very unreasonable for the second wife to demand its removal.  I also think it would be diabolical if the second wife refused to pray for the deceased woman's soul.

    If, however, it is some type of large structures, with many pictures, candles, photos, etc., I think the second wife could ask it at least be downsized.  If there hasn't been a second wedding yet, the woman may want to consider if the widower is ready for marriage again.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 03:49:52 PM »
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  • The second wife should respect her husband and leave him in peace to remember his deceased wife.  Jealousy is a sin.  

    Only a fool would feel threatened by the happy memories of a dead person.  If you foolishly attack a husband's happy memories, you will only harm your marriage.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 14, 2014, 07:05:11 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:I think this is up to the couple!
    If I were the new wife, I don't think I'd like an entire"shrine" in the living room!  If it is part of a family shrine to remember to pray for their souls, then it would be okay.  I'd add to it!  A protestant couple I know of, widower married to widow, had a " memorial" to their deceased spouses on a small table in the hallway. They were older with all adult children, so it didn't seem to be a problem.  If children need to accept a new mother or father, then I fear a shrine to the deceased parent, especially if it's Mommy, might hinder readjustment. There are really too many variables to determine if this is right or wrong.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: March 14, 2014, 09:05:24 PM »
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  • I don't have anything like a shrine to my deceased wife.  I do have a number of pictures of her around the house.  Although I am preparing for ordination and will not remarry, had I done so I would have tried to be sensitive to my new wife's feelings.  Removing all of the pictures would be something I would not consider, and if the woman I was considering marrying expected that, I doubt I would proceed with the marriage.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 09:06:08 PM »
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  • Because I have been asked in a PM, let me clarify for anyone else who may not know it that I am preparing for ordination as  a deacon in the Ruthenian Byzantine rite, not a priest.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 02:53:52 PM »
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  • If they're not married yet, what would the new wife expect? Before and after the new marriage are two different situations.

    I think it would be a good thing for a spouse to pray for their deceased spouse. It shows the new spouse what they can expect if they die first -- they'll be prayed for and remembered!  You can't beat that with a stick.

    And unlike jealousy about a past "partner" who is still living (which must be awful -- wondering who they're with on this fine lonely night, etc.), it has to be different when the "previous" spouse is deceased. How can you be jealous of a person no longer among the living?

    I think that's the worst thing about freely given annulments in the Conciliar Church -- it's so close to divorce, you have just as many "ex-wives" in the Novus Ordo pews as you have in a protestant church. And broken marriages are no small matter! We're talking about broken families, and destroyed bonds that were supposed to be permanent.

    When a man and woman are intimate, extremely strong psychological and emotional bonds are formed. Such intimate bonds were not ever meant to be created with more than one person, as is the case today. No wonder the world is so messed-up.

    So even if a person snags an annulment, he still might very well end up with "experience" with more than one (living) person. Don't think that won't lead to emotional and other consequences.

    Grief has to be a lot different when a partner dies, vs. when a partner "leaves". When a partner is still alive, you can always hold out hope...

    At any rate, the Catholic Church tends to agree. You can't marry more than one person, unless that first spouse dies.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 10:03:57 PM »
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  • Well said, Matthew.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 05:15:23 AM »
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    This is a decision that has to be made depending on how the various family members feel about it. The peace in the current home is the first priority...

    Some folks will react differently than others..


     

    If the new wife feels threatened by the memory of the dead old wife then what is going to happen when the dead wife's parents ask to come by to see the grandchildren ?

    I can understand how the new wife would want to make her new dwelling her own home, but it really is not is it ? And it never will be. It is not her house and they are not her children.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 02:33:56 PM »
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    This is a decision that has to be made depending on how the various family members feel about it. The peace in the current home is the first priority...

    Some folks will react differently than others..


     

    If the new wife feels threatened by the memory of the dead old wife then what is going to happen when the dead wife's parents ask to come by to see the grandchildren ?

    I can understand how the new wife would want to make her new dwelling her own home, but it really is not is it ? And it never will be. It is not her house and they are not her children.


    Actually, you're going too far.

    Yes, they are not her children. Yes, the children's grandparents will still want to see them.

    No, the deceased wife is no longer the man's wife. And no, the home belongs to no one but man and the woman he might remarry.

    The house can (and should) be changed up a bit to reflect the new ownership.

    You don't get to own property (or even your spouse) beyond the grave. "Till death do us part." Which means "Until death parts us."

    We're not Mormons who believe in eternal marriages.

    In heaven, of course we'll probably spent lots of time with our spouse, but there won't be "marital relations" or anything like that -- as Our Lord said, we'll be as the angels in heaven.
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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 02:45:38 PM »
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    Uh huh, but the kids have feelings and too often are forced to become 2nd class citizens in their own homes.

    I had a friend who passed away and after a couple years his spouse met and fell madly in love with another man. She accepted his proposal and they were engaged, a date was set.

    Then she called it off. She had two boys and came to realize they were not ready for it yet.

    The fact of the matter is that adults these days put themselves first. If you have children in the house from a previous marriage, then you are not the only one getting married to this person are you ? - That person is marrying the entire family and kid's feelings should be taken into consideration.

    from -crossbro, I don't want to be accused of misrepresentation again.


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    Should Widower remove shrine to dead wife?
    « Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 09:09:53 PM »
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  • If my husband died I would want to remarry so that I wouldn't have to raise my children by myself.