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Title: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 04:20:59 AM
Dyed hair? (Unnatural or natural?)
Multiple hair colors or color streaks?
Piercings? (other than earlobes)
Tattoos?
Should men have an earring in one ear or both ears or none?
Should women have nose studs? (Yuck)

I've seen people with these at my SSPX
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 07:18:05 AM
Of course they should.  
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Crayolcold on May 25, 2025, 07:51:43 AM
Dyed hair? (Unnatural or natural?)
Multiple hair colors or color streaks?
Piercings? (other than earlobes)
Tattoos?
Should men have an earring in one ear or both ears or none?
Should women have nose studs? (Yuck)

I've seen people with these at my SSPX
no
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 08:10:41 AM
Of course they should. 
Is this satire? :fryingpan:
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: FarmerWife on May 25, 2025, 08:46:22 AM
I’ve seen a man with tattoos but I assume he’s a convert. He looks to be covering it but you can still see some on his wrists. As for dyed hair, I actually have seen a woman or two having unnaturally died hair and one was a mom and the other single woman. And they were definitely not converts. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 10:19:53 AM
I have seen it before.  I have seen women in pants too.  It’s not hurting me.   Do you go to our chapel?   

God is pleased that they are going to Mass. 







Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 10:21:32 AM
I have seen mothers with little tattoos on their ankles. It might have been something through they did when they were younger.  
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Matthew on May 25, 2025, 10:41:38 AM

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Dyed hair? (Unnatural or natural?)
Multiple hair colors or color streaks?
Piercings? (other than earlobes)
Tattoos?
Should men have an earring in one ear or both ears or none?
Should women have nose studs? (Yuck)


Hair at least can grow back; it's not a permanent mutilation.
The others qualify as paganism and/or mutilation. Go look around the world at how pagans mutilate and desecrate their bodies with cuttings, piercings, and tattoos.
It is not a Christian tradition to do this.
In fact, the Christian attitude towards the body is that the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost. You don't spray paint graffiti or vandalize a temple do you?

Was I was a teenager I was tempted to dye my hair because I was into Anime and depending on the style, many series had characters with very colorful hair (purple, blue, green, etc.) I never did so, probably because I was going to Mass and wondered how people would react.
I did grow my hair "long" though. All the way to chin length (no bangs). Many around me said I looked horrible; I looked like my mom.
But again -- you can get a haircut. Hair grows back. What you DON'T want to do when you're a foolish teenager is permanent stuff that mutilates you.

Another point -- dying one's hair in 1995 meant you were into Anime and/or a bit weird.
Dying one's hair in 2025 means you are Leftist, non-binary, Woke, etc.

I would tell my kids to not even consider dying their hair, because you'd be scandalizing people that "this is one more person who thinks Woke is a good idea, conservatism/believing in God's order is bad, etc." 

Just like you don't want to put a rainbow flag on your car because you like how pretty the colors are. You just can't do that. It would be some kind of sin of scandal.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Giovanni Berto on May 25, 2025, 11:21:04 AM
No, they should not, but some people are converting.

Tattoos are tricky, because they are expensive to remove, hurt a lot, and leave an ugly scar, as I've heard.

If people are sincere, with time, they will stop using these things you mentioned, maybe except for the tattoos. 

If the priests say from the pulpit that people with green hair and tattoos are not welcome, they might be preventing someone to become a sincere Catholic.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: WorldsAway on May 25, 2025, 11:31:27 AM
Hair dyed in natural colors seems alright to me. Blue, green, purple, etc. are probably indications of pride, vanity

There is a family in Jerusalem that has apparently been doing Christian tattoos since the 14th century. Crusaders and pilgrims would get them (small, nothing crazy) when in the Holy Land, so I would think there is some argument for tattoos under certain circuмstances. I have also read that Eastern Christians would get a Cross tattoo on their wrists when under Islamic persecution so that they would not be able to deny being Christian, therefore less likely to apostasize, and it would also allow entrance into churches to weed out non-Christians
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Minnesota on May 25, 2025, 11:59:00 AM
Dude, I'm just happy they're going to Mass, period. That's the long and short of it. 

And don't dye your hair unnatural colors. The bleach and the hair dye from the upkeep will ruin your scalp.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 12:43:05 PM
Poor Sanguines!  I think they would be the type to do outlandish things, like dye their hair different colors.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Seraphina on May 25, 2025, 02:00:56 PM
If someone was foolish in youth or pre-conversion, these days, it’s quite understandable. We should refrain from condemning the person until we get to know them. In general, Catholics should refrain from extreme and bizarre appearances out of a desire for humility. Those who do these things, at the time, demonstrate their wanting to stand out and make a statement of some sort, be it, “I’m a tough guy,” or “I’m proud to announce I’m LGBTQ.”  
Most often, it actually reflects insecurity. “I WANT to be seen as a tough guy.” “I’m upset and confused about my sɛҳuąƖity. ACCEPT, no, CELEBRATE my chosen identity.”  
In a few instances, these things are cultural, not any type of desire to stand out.

As Matthew says, hair can grow back, be cut, or restyled. Hair dye depending upon the type, can be washed out, wear off, out grown, or colored over in a more natural tone. Piercings usually close up. Tattoos can be covered with clothing. If not reasonable, can sometimes be removed or even re-tattooed to fade or blend more with natural skin tone. One can sometimes use makeup to cover them. 

Many of these things would fall, imo, into the category of making reasonable adjustments out of respect for God, others, self. Unless the person is someone over whom we have considerable influence, it is best to MYOB. 

In very extreme cases, like someone with a split tongue and tattoo of Satan on his face, or a person whose body art is immodest, blasphemous, the priest should handle the matter. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Gray2023 on May 25, 2025, 03:39:25 PM
If someone was foolish in youth or pre-conversion, these days, it’s quite understandable. We should refrain from condemning the person until we get to know them. In general, Catholics should refrain from extreme and bizarre appearances out of a desire for humility. Those who do these things, at the time, demonstrate their wanting to stand out and make a statement of some sort, be it, “I’m a tough guy,” or “I’m proud to announce I’m LGBTQ.” 
Most often, it actually reflects insecurity. “I WANT to be seen as a tough guy.” “I’m upset and confused about my sɛҳuąƖity. ACCEPT, no, CELEBRATE my chosen identity.” 
In a few instances, these things are cultural, not any type of desire to stand out.

As Matthew says, hair can grow back, be cut, or restyled. Hair dye depending upon the type, can be washed out, wear off, out grown, or colored over in a more natural tone. Piercings usually close up. Tattoos can be covered with clothing. If not reasonable, can sometimes be removed or even re-tattooed to fade or blend more with natural skin tone. One can sometimes use makeup to cover them.

Many of these things would fall, imo, into the category of making reasonable adjustments out of respect for God, others, self. Unless the person is someone over whom we have considerable influence, it is best to MYOB.

In very extreme cases, like someone with a split tongue and tattoo of Satan on his face, or a person whose body art is immodest, blasphemous, the priest should handle the matter.
Well said!
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 04:10:34 PM
Dyed hair? (Unnatural or natural?)
Multiple hair colors or color streaks?
Piercings? (other than earlobes)
Tattoos?
Should men have an earring in one ear or both ears or none?
Should women have nose studs? (Yuck)

I've seen people with these at my SSPX
Dyed Hair: only for women and only natural hair colors; men when they go gray should stay gray and when men go bald they should stay bald...no dying hair or wigs for men. For any man to do either is a sign of a lack of masculinity and or humility when it comes to aging gracefully.

Piercings (other than earlobes) - not for women and men shouldn't have any at all.

Tattoos - only for certain men who have been in the military (e.g. a navy man or a marine who wants a tattoo related to his service) or a biker-type of guy or mere laborer. For any other man to have tattoos is unnecessary and projects a "trashy image." Ask yourself: would you trust any man to do a very important white-collar job for you (e.g. prepare your taxes or manage your investments) if he had any visible tattoos? Of course not. You would be a fool to do so. Would you trust them to do activities such as bag your groceries, wash your car, put a new roof on your house etc. If he haf any visible tattoos? Of course. Good luck trying to find anyone today to do those things for you who doesn't have at least one visible tattoo.

Tattoos on women? Never. They never belonged on women in the first place and for any woman to have any tattoo (e.g. even a small one on their ankle etc. which she thinks is "cute") is akin to putting a bunch of bumper stickers on a Ferrari or keying a prized automobile. In other words, it's completely trashy no matter what and it totally degrades the woman who has them.

No self-respecting man should ever even date (let alone marry) any woman with any tattoos.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: IndultCat on May 25, 2025, 04:12:01 PM
I wrote the above. TLDR: Men should NEVER have any piercings or have dyed hair or wear a wig; women should only have pierced earlobes, and only wear dyed hair and wigs that are natural colors (i.e. no militant man-hating lesbian colors like purple or fire-engine red). Men who have been in the service can have a tattoo related to their time in the service as well as biker-type guys and hard blue collar laborers but Women should NEVER have ANY tattoos whatsoever. It totally degrades them and makes them look absolutely trashy. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: hgodwinson on May 25, 2025, 04:14:58 PM
Dyed hair? (Unnatural or natural?)
Multiple hair colors or color streaks?
Piercings? (other than earlobes)
Tattoos?
Should men have an earring in one ear or both ears or none?
Should women have nose studs? (Yuck)

I've seen people with these at my SSPX
Hesitating backlash, I would say no. I've seen tattoos on people in remembrance of loved ones, which I think are a different story, but on the most part I think we should resist modern trends. I sincerely doubt they lead to any good. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: hgodwinson on May 25, 2025, 04:18:37 PM
Dude, I'm just happy they're going to Mass, period. That's the long and short of it.

And don't dye your hair unnatural colors. The bleach and the hair dye from the upkeep will ruin your scalp.
Would you not agree that once they are traditional Catholics, people should not actively get any of these? 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 04:34:29 PM
Is this satire? :fryingpan:
Yes.  
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 04:50:02 PM
I wrote the above. TLDR: Men should NEVER have any piercings or have dyed hair or wear a wig; women should only have pierced earlobes, and only wear dyed hair and wigs that are natural colors (i.e. no militant man-hating lesbian colors like purple or fire-engine red). Men who have been in the service can have a tattoo related to their time in the service as well as biker-type guys and hard blue collar laborers but Women should NEVER have ANY tattoos whatsoever. It totally degrades them and makes them look absolutely trashy.
Men have started getting earrings for many decades now, also I don't think anyone should get tattoos because of health reasons (lymph nodes), same with hair dye, going blonde is one of the most damaging things someone can do to their hair. In terms of health earrings are less dangerous.

Frankly I think men's tattoos also look trashy, and once they are old they are just an old man with tats...
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Gray2023 on May 25, 2025, 05:23:02 PM
I wrote the above. TLDR: Men should NEVER have any piercings or have dyed hair or wear a wig; women should only have pierced earlobes, and only wear dyed hair and wigs that are natural colors (i.e. no militant man-hating lesbian colors like purple or fire-engine red). Men who have been in the service can have a tattoo related to their time in the service as well as biker-type guys and hard blue collar laborers but Women should NEVER have ANY tattoos whatsoever. It totally degrades them and makes them look absolutely trashy.
Just curious.  In your opinion, why are men in the military and biker guys allowed tattoos?
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 25, 2025, 05:42:07 PM
I've seen people with these at my SSPX

So what?  Why'd you post this anonymously?

Maybe you should be worried about obtaining an actual spine before you worry about other people's tats, etc... While you are preoccupied with the externals of others, you are neglecting your own interior.  Traddieland in a nutshell, unfortunately.

Godspeed to you and yours.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 05:43:03 PM
Would you not agree that once they are traditional Catholics, people should not actively get any of these?
Yes. Maybe people of certain ethnicity may get little girl’s ears pierced. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Seraphina on May 25, 2025, 05:59:50 PM
Men have started getting earrings for many decades now, also I don't think anyone should get tattoos because of health reasons (lymph nodes), same with hair dye, going blonde is one of the most damaging things someone can do to their hair. In terms of health earrings are less dangerous.

Frankly I think men's tattoos also look trashy, and once they are old they are just an old man with tats...
I’m old, so when I see a man with earring(s), or other pierced body parts, I still find myself looking at which ear it’s in, or both. As for guys with pierced noses, cheeks, eyebrows, lips, tongue rod…I think he’s into punk rock and pain. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 06:04:45 PM
Just curious.  In your opinion, why are men in the military and biker guys allowed tattoos?
Because it has been a traditional custom for men in the military (especially in the Navy) to get tattoos (just look at Popeye The Sailor Man as an animated example with the Navy anchor tattoo on the upper arm) whether they tattoo the number of their military unit on them or the Marine slogan  "Semper Fi", tattoos worn by men in the military goes back as far as tattoos themselves (warrior men in Eastern cultures wore them as symbols near and dear to their hearts and Maori men wear them on their faces as part of a warrior tradition). 

Biker Men also have a tradition of wearing tattoos and living by their biker-code lifestyles (although I don't approve of their lifestyles, nonetheless, their tattoo custom suits them) the same as gang members (again, I don't approve of gang member behavior but tattoos suit their culture). Some cultures that are good wear tattoos (e.g. military men; eastern warriors) while other cultures that wear them are bad (e.g. gang members; bikers). 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: IndultCat on May 25, 2025, 06:05:25 PM
The above was me
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 06:13:22 PM
So what?  Why'd you post this anonymously?

Maybe you should be worried about obtaining an actual spine before you worry about other people's tats, etc... While you are preoccupied with the externals of others, you are neglecting your own interior.  Traddieland in a nutshell, unfortunately.

Godspeed to you and yours.
SSPX tends to be more lax hence the questions on this forum to gage tradition Catholics consensus. Also anonymity does not equal cowardice. The internet doesn't have to be personal.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: hgodwinson on May 25, 2025, 06:31:39 PM
Yes. Maybe people of certain ethnicity may get little girl’s ears pierced.
The OP explicitly stated they were not talking about ear piercings for ladies.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Giovanni Berto on May 25, 2025, 06:43:17 PM
 I have also read that Eastern Christians would get a Cross tattoo on their wrists when under Islamic persecution so that they would not be able to deny being Christian, therefore less likely to apostasize, and it would also allow entrance into churches to weed out non-Christians

I know a Maronite priest who has one of these. I thought it was kind of strange until I read your post. He was born and raised in Lebanon.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Gray2023 on May 25, 2025, 08:40:55 PM
The above was me
Thanks for the response. My grandfather was in the navy in the 1940s.  He had a ship tattoo.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Matthew on May 25, 2025, 09:17:30 PM
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Dyed Hair: only for women and only natural hair colors; men when they go gray should stay gray and when men go bald they should stay bald...no dying hair or wigs for men. For any man to do either is a sign of a lack of masculinity and or humility when it comes to aging gracefully.

Piercings (other than earlobes) - not for women and men shouldn't have any at all.

Tattoos - only for certain men who have been in the military (e.g. a navy man or a marine who wants a tattoo related to his service) or a biker-type of guy or mere laborer. For any other man to have tattoos is unnecessary and projects a "trashy image." Ask yourself: would you trust any man to do a very important white-collar job for you (e.g. prepare your taxes or manage your investments) if he had any visible tattoos? Of course not. You would be a fool to do so. Would you trust them to do activities such as bag your groceries, wash your car, put a new roof on your house etc. If he haf any visible tattoos? Of course. Good luck trying to find anyone today to do those things for you who doesn't have at least one visible tattoo.

Tattoos on women? Never. They never belonged on women in the first place and for any woman to have any tattoo (e.g. even a small one on their ankle etc. which she thinks is "cute") is akin to putting a bunch of bumper stickers on a Ferrari or keying a prized automobile. In other words, it's completely trashy no matter what and it totally degrades the woman who has them.

No self-respecting man should ever even date (let alone marry) any woman with any tattoos.
Seems like solid Traditional Catholic advice to me. I fully agree.
You gave a very wise take on the matter: it isn't about the tattoo itself per se, it's about the complete lack of self-respect and self-valuation the woman has. If she considers herself so low, wouldn't she make other stupid mistakes like sleeping around? Probably.
It's not about humility either -- not considering yourself worthy of salvation, not caring about your soul is NOT humility.


Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 25, 2025, 09:51:24 PM
Tattoos - only for certain men who have been in the military (e.g. a navy man or a marine who wants a tattoo related to his service) or a biker-type of guy or mere laborer. For any other man to have tattoos is unnecessary and projects a "trashy image."

Tattoos on women? Never...It's completely trashy no matter what and it totally degrades the woman who has them.

To paraphrase: Trashy, but acceptably trashy for certain low-level men.  Sounds kinda snooty, eh?  "Mere laborer"?  Love it.

Frankly, I find the distinction meaningless.  Are tats common among military men, bikers, etc?  Sure.  That is a totally separate matter from objective acceptability.

Considering how widespread the practice has become, I would guess there are now many -- and hopefully will soon be many more -- solid converts to the Faith who got tattoos before conversion.  Considering how sin disfigures the soul, such external considerations are of little moment by comparison.  If God can infuse His own supernatural life into a sinner, the soon-to-be-rotting packaging is of much less concern. Does it matter?  Sure, especially as it is usually an external reflection of the interior disorder.  However, once the interior is renewed, the externals remain and that's just the way it is.  Modest attire can alleviate a great deal of the trouble and genuine converts are usually happy to make such adjustments.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 25, 2025, 09:52:19 PM
The previous post is mine.  I forgot to check the little box... :fryingpan:
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: gladius_veritatis on May 25, 2025, 09:59:15 PM
The better question might be:

Should someone who is already a Traditional Catholic have/get x, y, z, etc.?

No.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 26, 2025, 08:36:59 AM
If someone was foolish in youth or pre-conversion, these days, it’s quite understandable. We should refrain from condemning the person until we get to know them. In general, Catholics should refrain from extreme and bizarre appearances out of a desire for humility. Those who do these things, at the time, demonstrate their wanting to stand out and make a statement of some sort, be it, “I’m a tough guy,” or “I’m proud to announce I’m LGBTQ.” 
Most often, it actually reflects insecurity. “I WANT to be seen as a tough guy.” “I’m upset and confused about my sɛҳuąƖity. ACCEPT, no, CELEBRATE my chosen identity.” 
In a few instances, these things are cultural, not any type of desire to stand out.

As Matthew says, hair can grow back, be cut, or restyled. Hair dye depending upon the type, can be washed out, wear off, out grown, or colored over in a more natural tone. Piercings usually close up. Tattoos can be covered with clothing. If not reasonable, can sometimes be removed or even re-tattooed to fade or blend more with natural skin tone. One can sometimes use makeup to cover them.

Many of these things would fall, imo, into the category of making reasonable adjustments out of respect for God, others, self. Unless the person is someone over whom we have considerable influence, it is best to MYOB.

In very extreme cases, like someone with a split tongue and tattoo of Satan on his face, or a person whose body art is immodest, blasphemous, the priest should handle the matter.
Well said!
As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: jersey60 on May 26, 2025, 08:38:06 AM
Well said!
As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?
Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

Well said!
As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?





Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Seraphina on May 26, 2025, 08:52:05 AM
Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

Well said!
As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?

It’s very likely depending upon who is around us. 
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Gray2023 on May 26, 2025, 09:36:20 AM
The better question might be:

Should someone who is already a Traditional Catholic have/get x, y, z, etc.?

No.
I think there is hardly ever a black and white answer when it comes to the questions of dying hair, piercings, or tattoos.

Many people are influenced by the society they live in.  It takes a really strong person to go against the tide of society.  Should Traditional Catholics respect their bodies?  Yes.  But what exactly does that mean?  

FYI I only have one ear piercing in each ear.  My hair was only dyed with highlights for a time period when I was 18 -20 (2 or 3 times). I have no tats. 

But I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say I never thought about getting a tattoo or dying my hair purple, but it doesn't mean I agree with the subculture of people who do dye there hair.  Do you think the little old ladies whose white hair has a tinge of blue or purple are making the same statement as a woke person?  I don't know.  People are more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 26, 2025, 10:12:03 AM
those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?

We've been there for a while.
Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 26, 2025, 10:34:44 AM
Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

Well said!
As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?


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Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 26, 2025, 10:40:29 AM
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Title: Re: Should traditional Catholics have
Post by: 2Vermont on May 26, 2025, 10:56:52 AM
I don't think the Church has answered these questions, so I'm not sure whether our answers to what Trads "should" do or not do wrt these things is anything more than just our individual opinions.  IMO, I think determining whether these things are "wrong" or even sinful would depend on why someone chose to do it.  For example, is it because someone wants attention? Is it because someone is insecure?  Is it to show off? Is it to fit in with modern ways? Etc, etc. And in most cases, I don't think any of us would know that about a particular person running around with a tattoo or a nose ring, etc.