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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2023, 10:33:47 AM »
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  • Even if you get married at 30, you can still have two or three children, depending on your health. 

    Don't rush it. If you end up in a bad marriage, you will regret it for the rest of your life. There is no going back.

    You could also try to join some other religious congregations. You may have been rejected by some, but I imagine that you have not tried all the traditionalist congregations out there. Consider living in Europe or in Asia for this. It is much better to take the risks and try to live the religious life in another country than to get married just because you think you have to do this.

    Some saints were rejected more than a few times before being admitted to a religious house. Don't give up on this.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #16 on: April 18, 2023, 10:38:10 AM »
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  • You may have been rejected by some, but I imagine that you have not tried all the traditionalist congregations out there.

    She never said she tried, much less was rejected by, any religious congregations. I wish she'd clarify this detail.


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #17 on: April 18, 2023, 10:40:39 AM »
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  • Even if you get married at 30, you can still have two or three children, depending on your health.

    Don't rush it. If you end up in a bad marriage, you will regret it for the rest of your life. There is no going back.

    You could also try to join some other religious congregations. You may have been rejected by some, but I imagine that you have not tried all the traditionalist congregations out there. Consider living in Europe or in Asia for this. It is much better to take the risks and try to live the religious life in another country than to get married just because you think you have to do this.

    Some saints were rejected more than a few times before being admitted to a religious house. Don't give up on this.

    Well said. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #18 on: April 18, 2023, 11:11:59 AM »
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  • Have you thought about maybe it's because of men being too unattractive themselves nowadays? Complete loss of masculinity and chivalry, speech with no manner and decency, and blame their vices on women. Just think about how appalling and it would be to say such things in front of ladies just 50 years ago.
    I didn’t mean that’s the reason in all cases, or meant to offend. It was just an observation from what I have experienced. 

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #19 on: April 18, 2023, 11:21:41 AM »
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  • She never said she tried, much less was rejected by, any religious congregations. I wish she'd clarify this detail.
    Agreed.  I'm getting the impression that she discerned it on her own.


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #20 on: April 18, 2023, 11:25:31 AM »
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  • Agreed.  I'm getting the impression that she discerned it on her own.

    She never said she tried, much less was rejected by, any religious congregations. I wish she'd clarify this detail.
    You are correct. I read too much into the initial post.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #21 on: April 18, 2023, 11:29:56 AM »
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  • Agreed.  I'm getting the impression that she discerned it on her own.

    And yet she also said that she cries at night feeling sad that she was not able to join a religious order and serve Our Lord solely with all her life. I think that's where the confusion comes in. 

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #22 on: April 18, 2023, 11:32:09 AM »
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  • Why is it that so many women are asɛҳuąƖ these days? Completely uninterested in sex, repulsed by it even, in any context, even in the context of marriage? 
    Because men are not taught to be gentlemen. Women need to feel genuinely cared for. We know that's not the same for men. 


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #23 on: April 18, 2023, 11:54:27 AM »
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    Its better to be single wishing you were married, then to be married wishing you were single.
    True that.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #24 on: April 18, 2023, 12:02:29 PM »
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  • Sometimes I cry at night feeling sad that I was not able to join a religious order and serve Our Lord solely with all my life ...

    You sure you don't have a religious vocation?  Did someone else "discern" this for you?

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #25 on: April 18, 2023, 12:03:38 PM »
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  • Even if you get married at 30, you can still have two or three children, depending on your health.
     
    I was 32 and my wife 29 when we married, and we ended up with 6 children.


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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #26 on: April 18, 2023, 01:15:09 PM »
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  • Speaking as another female.... NO. 

    Do not marry if you do not feel drawn towards the vocation of motherhood. Including feeling absolutely nothing for your potential spouse.

    Do not enter the religious life if you do not feel drawn. The religious vocation is not an escape and/or is not for everyone. You should have a VOCATION. If you do not, then you cannot force it. Same as marriage. 

    I cannot imagine a greater misery than to be forced to choose between these two options, when God's plan may be something different. There is such a thing as living a single life. 

    It is OK to remain unmarried. Let's say either because you don't want to marry... or you are still waiting for the right person.

    It is OK to seek a job that provides stability long term + places you in the position where you can serve God in the way intended. Be that as a nurse, doctor, veterinarian, or some other position that is always needed and also places somewhere that you can be instrumental in helping people find the faith. 

    If you are drawn to marriage, but lack affection or interest in your options.... then hold off. Pray. Either pray for a good man who you would be very happy marrying or pray for peace and comfort and strength and joy in whatever God intends. 

    Learn to be quiet and observant of others. Train your eyes to be unemotional.

    Personally speaking, I was 18 or 19 years old when a man in his 20's chased around after me and others. What I could see with my unemotional eyes was the fact that he did not have a particular interest in me. He wanted a wife and children and any willing female would do. And he was in a huge hurry. I was not drawn to the married life, nor did I want children of my own. As we speak currently I now somewhat have softened towards having my own children, but have also discovered that physically I probably would never get pregnant or have miscarriages if I did - so probably a very fortunate thing I never got married. Regardless, I was brutally honest with that person and learned to be very careful about being invisible or aloof since then to keep others away. :) 

    There's somebody who I've met and really enjoy hanging out with. Talking somebody who main thing I can see about him is a natural kindness and just warm outgoing nature.... who is not weak, prideful, immature, or "in a hurry".... many things I dislike in young traditional catholic men. But unless I convert that person into coming to church with me and becoming Catholic because he has received the gift of faith, having a serious relationship with him is impossible. And in my case, there are additional complications (inability to have kids, etc) which absolutely mean I'm still maintaining distance to avoid any attachment there. I cannot tell what the future will be, but that's in God's hands. We are expected to be good people, live a good holy life, and leave the rest to God.

    That's what I suggest that you focus on. No need to force yourself to do anything immediately. If there is no vocation for the religious life or the married life, see if there is a calling to do something else which could serve God a different way. And you never know what God has planned for you.  

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #27 on: April 18, 2023, 01:46:19 PM »
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  • Also - this is random, but I believe the term "josephite marriage" is based on the marriage between Our Lady and St. Joseph.

    Catholic tradition states that Our Lady and St. Joseph made an arrangement before they were married to remain chaste. I've wondered a little bit if that was the reason why St. Joseph had been chosen for Our Lady or how that worked at the time. 

    And why did Our Lady marry at all if she wished to remain chaste? Because she needed protection of a spouse since her parents were quite old + at that time, there were no rights or protections for women. Some places around the world, very little has changed. 

    Regardless, St. Joseph was very much needed to protect Our Lady and Our Lord and keep them safe until the time Our Lord was grown. 

    When I think of St. Joseph... I think of somebody who must have been very loving and very kind and thoughtful... and very humble. I believe that God chose him to be the spouse of Our Lady because he was a very good man. And he was blessed for his goodness. 

    But in terms of people today... I believe the idea of a "chaste" marriage, sometimes is the better alternative when both spouses are trying to avoid children for reasons. One of them I know of with some, it is when a family is struggling with the economy and trying to keep bills paid and get past a really tough spot, and both parents are required to work 8-12 hours a day and stress is high. These are people who rather than commit sin in using contraception, are sleeping in separate beds or in general avoiding the opportunity of procreation. But these are still people who married for the real purpose of marriage - and that is procreation, etc.

    With what the person in the original post suggests - I believe the only advantage to marrying somebody and drawing a line at sharing a bed right from the start - it has everything to do with two people approaching marriage as a means to home ownership and financial security. Which quite honestly, you could do the same with a sibling or close friend.  



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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #28 on: April 18, 2023, 01:49:20 PM »
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  • Do not get married just to be married. That's horrible and unfair to the man. A lot of women can't go to the convent and the beguine option is one that should be revived.

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    Re: Should I force myself to get married with someone?
    « Reply #29 on: April 18, 2023, 02:57:18 PM »
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  • the beguine option is one that should be revived.

    As in, THE Beguines?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beguines_and_Beghards

    Fr. Iscara taught us about these movements... Wikipedia is not God, nor does it tell the whole story in this case. What I remember about them, is these groups believed that once you were "confirmed in the Spirit" or something similar, everything you willed would be good. Essentially, you couldn't sin. At least de-facto.

    The part I remember most was when Fr. Iscara summarized, in his inimitable pithy humorous way --
    something along the lines that certain members of the Beghards and Beguines started shacking up at one point. (Human nature being human nature). It was another example of people getting Human Nature wrong, trying to deny Original Sin and/or its effects. In this case, the latter.
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