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Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2017, 07:09:22 PM »
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  • Be as St. Monica as she was with St. Augustine, her son.  You keep it to prayer and prayer can be consoling, guiding, instructing.  I asked Our Lady if she would give me a dream, like St. Bosco.  A dream to help me to see where our daughter was coming from when she "was" on drugs.  I got a dream, and it made me cry, but I thanked My Lady, for she did help me to see where she was.  We pray for everyone, as like Christ, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing.

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #16 on: April 06, 2018, 02:35:25 PM »
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  • St. Francis of Assisi basically disowned his own biological father, saying that the bishop was his true father.


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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #17 on: April 06, 2018, 03:57:10 PM »
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  • St. Francis of Assisi basically disowned his own biological father, saying that the bishop was his true father.
    “Hitherto I have called Pietro Bernardone father; but now I am the servant of God.”

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 04:42:05 PM »
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  • From Lord of the World by Fr. Robert Hugh Benson

    Father Francis, who had been sitting in a lax kind of huddle, seemed to know his thoughts, and sat up suddenly.

    "You are tired of me," he said. "I will go."

    "I am not tired of you, my dear father," said Percy simply. "I am only terribly sorry. You see I know that it is all true."

    The other looked at him heavily.

    "And I know that it is not," he said. "It is very beautiful; I wish I could believe it. I don't think I shall be ever happy again—but—but there it is."

    Percy sighed. He had told him so often that the heart is as divine a gift as the mind, and that to neglect it in the search for God is to seek ruin, but this priest had scarcely seen the application to himself. He had answered with the old psychological arguments that the suggestions of education accounted for everything.

    "I suppose you will cast me off," said the other.

    "It is you who are leaving me," said Percy. "I cannot follow, if you mean that."

    "But—but cannot we be friends?"

    A sudden heat touched the elder priest's heart.

    "Friends?" he said. "Is sentimentality all you mean by friendship? What kind of friends can we be?"

    The other's face became suddenly heavy.

    "I thought so."

    "John!" cried Percy. "You see that, do you not? How can we pretend anything when you do not believe in God? For I do you the honour of thinking that you do not."

    Francis sprang up.

    "Well—-" he snapped. "I could not have believed—I am going."

    He wheeled towards the door.

    "John!" said Percy again. "Are you going like this? Can you not shake hands?"

    The other wheeled again, with heavy anger in his face.

    "Why, you said you could not be friends with me!"

    Percy's mouth opened. Then he understood, and smiled. "Oh! that is all you mean by friendship, is it?—I beg your pardon. Oh! we can be polite to one another, if you like."

    He still stood holding out his hand. Father Francis looked at it a moment, his lips shook: then once more he turned, and went out without a word.


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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 10:24:37 PM »
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  • Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    My answer:
    Not unless your soul or the souls of those you have charge over would be harmed.
    The relative, seeing your good example, could be moved to get back to God.
    Also, the devil is trying to erase God from all of society.  One way in particular is through the breakups of families.  Don't give Satan such pleasure.  Charity is the greatest virtue and erases a multitude of sin.  Be charitable.


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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 10:46:28 PM »
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  • All my immediate relatives who were raised Traditional Catholic to some degree or another have fallen into pot smoking and don't care in the least to go to Mass. They haven't received the sacraments in many years or decades. They are suffering from a supernatural vice of drug addiction, no doubt, and my admonishments only lead to insults and accusations of sins or being a hypocrite. If I tell them about Hell and how they need to reform their lives they insult me (in their minds) by saying I am just like grandma, Heaven forbid. Or look what I did when I was younger, I'm no better- as if repentance and reformation of life means nothing. Anyone who dares to attend Mass is branded a hypocrite by those who shrink from the thought of sitting through a 30 minute low Mass without being able to smoke a cigarette. Such is the modern world and those who live by it. Of course, I know that these are all just excuses to keep on sinning and doing as one pleases. I've come to accept that the most probable out come is that they will not attain salvation. Their actions indicate that they expect a death bed confession, which is rare. Those who did not confess when God gave them the graces, will not have the graces when they are ready to confess. I don't disown them. That is ridiculous. It even sounds childish, as if this were a way to get back at them...see there, I've disowned you now. Take that. In truth, I have little to no contact with them, no more than necessary and pray for their conversion and turning back to God. I haven't spent Christmas or Easter with relatives in over a decade and they live 30 minutes away these days. I'd rather drive 2 hours to go to Mass then sit over at their house listening to yelling cuss words and weed and cigarette smoke. Why bother.

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #21 on: April 07, 2018, 07:06:39 AM »
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  • All my immediate relatives who were raised Traditional Catholic to some degree....

    "Traditional Catholic" is a relative term. Case in point are the numerous women on this forum.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #22 on: April 07, 2018, 07:11:23 AM »
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  • should they be disowned if they convert to Judaism or marry a Jew?


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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #23 on: April 07, 2018, 09:20:21 AM »
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  • It's sad.  If you are asking this question, then you have already written then it if your hearts.   You are more list then they are. 

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #24 on: April 09, 2018, 05:25:50 PM »
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  • it sets a bad example

    they should be disowned

    1 Cor 6:14

    don't be involved w/ non believers

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #25 on: April 09, 2018, 05:26:32 PM »
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  • Jesus said that unless u hate your mother/father/brother

    and etc...

    u are not worthy of him


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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #26 on: April 09, 2018, 05:27:26 PM »
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  • meaning: you have to put him over them... which looks like hate to those who don't get it

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #27 on: April 09, 2018, 10:07:35 PM »
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  • "Traditional Catholic" is a relative term. Case in point are the numerous women on this forum.
    Traditional just means authentic in contrast to modern and false.  It is a way of denoting actual Catholics from the Novus Ordos. It is a way of promoting healthy discussion into the matter while expressing the topic adequately. 

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 01:03:22 PM »
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  • Traditional just means authentic in contrast to modern and false.  It is a way of denoting actual Catholics from the Novus Ordos. It is a way of promoting healthy discussion into the matter while expressing the topic adequately.
    is it a way to separate those who truly want to go to traditional Mass but can't... too far, etc.. from those who could go but are lazy or whatever?

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    Re: Should apostate relatives be disowned?
    « Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 10:46:31 PM »
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  • Charity requires us to pray for family members who have gone astray from the Catholic Faith. 

    There is no requirement to associate with those who have left the Faith though. If anything, to do so would be like ignoring the giant elephant in the room. 

    The only exception would be that in getting together the discussion would be solely centered on the apostate recovering their Faith. 

     

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