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Should a woman defend herself?
« on: May 28, 2013, 06:49:19 PM »
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  • What do CI readers think a woman should do in such circuмstances?
    Case #1
    An intoxicated man [attempts to grope her] on a crowded public shopping district street in broad daylight.
    Case #2
    A professionally dressed man gropes a woman while riding a crowded public transportation vehicle.
    Case #3
    A young man [gropes] three times his age and makes a crude remark for the benefit of his two pals.  Again, occurs in public, in a convenience store, with approximately a dozen other customers, male and female present.

    In all three cases, the woman is dressed modestly in feminine clothing that would pass the "Padre Pio Test."  Case one, the woman yelled and pushed the drunk away.  Case two, she screamed and stomped with her heel on top of his foot.  Case three, she yelled, and when all three fled, she reported it to the store manager who laughed in her face.  In cases one and two, she told a police officer who shrugged it off as 'nothing.'  By the time of case three, she knew the police were useless.  In no case did a man come to her defense, although men were present and knew what had happened. A woman offered to pursue the three youths in her car, but then what if they'd been located?

    What should the woman who is single-in-the-world and past marriageable/enter a convent age do?  Please give realistic suggestions, nothing ridiculous like wear a burka, go live in a cave, hire a full-time body-guard, pull out a pistol and shoot him the head...Anyone know some effective but subtle martial arts maneuvers?



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    Should a woman defend herself?
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 07:15:21 PM »
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  • Find a martial art school, some will offer short courses for women's self defense if there is an interest or you could ask for private lessons.  ATA schools are good.  


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    Should a woman defend herself?
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 07:28:12 PM »
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  • These three are handy defense items, depending on the threat level:

    1. Brass knuckles.

    2. Tazer

    3. Lady Smith $ Wesson 9mm





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    Should a woman defend herself?
    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 07:29:55 PM »
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  • Chivalry is dead!  CI gentlemen, what would you do if you were driving on a Connecticut street with wall-to-wall shopping centers, strip malls, fast-food eateries and witnessed two gray- haired women pushing a car, one at the open driver's door steering, the other walking and pushing backwards for leverage against the trunk?  I was the woman in the rear.  Having come from Mass, I was dressed accordingly.  The woman whose auto was stalled,  a stranger to me, was wearing jeans, but nothing particularly noticeable by today's bad standards.This occurred about six weeks ago on U.S. 6 at about noon on a sunny Sunday.  The traffic was bumper-to-bumper.  Not a single person, male or female offered to help.  It took a good 40 minutes for the two of us to move the car from the middle of an intersection to the shoulder, then a block and into a driveway of a McDonalds.  The car had been stuck for 25 minutes in the middle of the road and the woman had nearly gotten killed when she tried to get out, so she just sat there with her four-ways on.  Maybe it's not just chivalry, but common courtesy and care for others that is dead.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 07:30:44 PM »
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  • Minor offenses you probably just have to accept, until you can avoid people who do such things.

    Attempting to inflict injury on someone over a minor thing is not proportional self-defense, and might well be self-defeating or lead to something worse.


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    Should a woman defend herself?
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 07:36:29 PM »
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  • Incidentally, this is one of the great evils involved in the modern school system:

    Sending defenseless children into an environment full of bullies and other corrupt children, with no sanctuary and no boundaries, with two options: submit to merciless torments or fight back and possibly end up far worse off.  

    Non-brainwashed parents wouldn't subject their children to that.

    Now it's true the world is not an easy place to get along in but generally people have their own territory, their own space, protected by law.

    Not so for children under the thumb of negligent schoolmarms.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 07:49:31 PM »
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    These three are handy defense items, depending on the threat level:

    1. Brass knuckles.

    2. Tazer

    3. Lady Smith $ Wesson 9mm






     :applause:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 07:49:50 PM »
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  • Move further south... and out of the city.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 07:50:52 PM »
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    Chivalry is dead!  CI gentlemen, what would you do if you were driving on a Connecticut street with wall-to-wall shopping centers, strip malls, fast-food eateries and witnessed two gray- haired women pushing a car, one at the open driver's door steering, the other walking and pushing backwards for leverage against the trunk?  I was the woman in the rear.  Having come from Mass, I was dressed accordingly.  The woman whose auto was stalled,  a stranger to me, was wearing jeans, but nothing particularly noticeable by today's bad standards.This occurred about six weeks ago on U.S. 6 at about noon on a sunny Sunday.  The traffic was bumper-to-bumper.  Not a single person, male or female offered to help.  It took a good 40 minutes for the two of us to move the car from the middle of an intersection to the shoulder, then a block and into a driveway of a McDonalds.  The car had been stuck for 25 minutes in the middle of the road and the woman had nearly gotten killed when she tried to get out, so she just sat there with her four-ways on.  Maybe it's not just chivalry, but common courtesy and care for others that is dead.


    Unless I were driving someone to the hospital, I would certainly stop to help.  Even then, I would call the police and ask them to help.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 07:52:11 PM »
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    Minor offenses you probably just have to accept, until you can avoid people who do such things.

    Attempting to inflict injury on someone over a minor thing is not proportional self-defense, and might well be self-defeating or lead to something worse.


    I don't think any of the incidents described in the OP were minor.  The woman in question would be justified in doing what was needed to remain safe and end the attack.  No more, but certainly no less.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 07:52:46 PM »
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    Incidentally, this is one of the great evils involved in the modern school system:

    Sending defenseless children into an environment full of bullies and other corrupt children, with no sanctuary and no boundaries, with two options: submit to merciless torments or fight back and possibly end up far worse off.  

    Non-brainwashed parents wouldn't subject their children to that.

    Now it's true the world is not an easy place to get along in but generally people have their own territory, their own space, protected by law.

    Not so for children under the thumb of negligent schoolmarms.


    great post here  :applause: x a million


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    Should a woman defend herself?
    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 07:55:23 PM »
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  • Let me get this straight Sigismund, some teenage boy pinches a woman's behind and it's a justification for brass knuckles?

    It's very unfortunate, I don't know what to tell the lady, except to avoid such people whenever possible.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 08:02:50 PM »
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    Minor offenses you probably just have to accept, until you can avoid people who do such things.

    Attempting to inflict injury on someone over a minor thing is not proportional self-defense, and might well be self-defeating or lead to something worse.


    If a man starts touching your sixteen year old daughter, you don't have a right to inflict injury on him?  I'd probably end up in the ICU but I would do my best.

     Do you know how disgusting it is? They do this things for ******* excitement. I thought lethal force was justified for rape, murder, or kidnapping.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 28, 2013, 08:09:19 PM »
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    Let me get this straight Sigismund, some teenage boy pinches a woman's behind and it's a justification for brass knuckles?


    Absolutely


    ~Tiffany

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    « Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 08:10:59 PM »
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  • You are equating these things to rape?

    A little old woman isn't going to be able to do a damned thing to stop these people (short of using some sort of weapons), so if she isn't secure on public transportation, she's just in a bad predicament with poor options.