Author Topic: Should a woman defend herself? (Read 7289 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #45 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:24:58 PM »

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There is this dodgy argument where people make the victim out to be the perpetrator.

Spouse of Jesus made wonderful counter-arguments to that.

Do you leave children in a dangerous place without fear because kidnapping is wrong?

Do you flash large sums of money or leave valuables unattended because theft is wrong?

Do you tantalize the men around you and become highly indignant at the predictable results, given the fallen nature of humanity?

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but for a man to behave indecently and aggressively towards a woman is grave, regardless how she is dressed.

Never said it wasn't grave. But was it a grave injury to her? Call me skeptical.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #46 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:25:02 PM »

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I take it you don't believe in Catholic standards of modesty?

She wasn't wearing an old-fashioned dress, she was at a mixed pool.

It's pretty cut and dry. What would the saints say about the way she was dressed?

They might rightly condemn her. But what would the saints say about the man who assaulted her? This is nuts!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #47 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:26:48 PM »

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Chivalry is dead! CI gentlemen, what would you do if you were driving on a Connecticut street with wall-to-wall shopping centers, strip malls, fast-food eateries and witnessed two gray- haired women pushing a car, one at the open driver's door steering, the other walking and pushing backwards for leverage against the trunk? I was the woman in the rear. Having come from Mass, I was dressed accordingly. The woman whose auto was stalled, a stranger to me, was wearing jeans, but nothing particularly noticeable by today's bad standards.This occurred about six weeks ago on U.S. 6 at about noon on a sunny Sunday. The traffic was bumper-to-bumper. Not a single person, male or female offered to help. It took a good 40 minutes for the two of us to move the car from the middle of an intersection to the shoulder, then a block and into a driveway of a McDonalds. The car had been stuck for 25 minutes in the middle of the road and the woman had nearly gotten killed when she tried to get out, so she just sat there with her four-ways on. Maybe it's not just chivalry, but common courtesy and care for others that is dead.

I will just say this (and this is all I mean to say): men treat women differently when they are dressed like women (dresses, skirts, looking feminine).

Call it male instinct.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #48 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:27:10 PM »

I think the saints tell people to bear wrongs patiently.

Some wrongs are much more injurious than others.

Conferring lèse-majesté on the female sex, in this day and age, when they've never been more immodest, reckless, and downright slutty, is insanity.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #49 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:28:11 PM »

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Why would that matter? Although I am sure it was a one piece as I can't ever remember owninga bikini in my life.

It was 25 years ago. I don't even remember whatI was wearing. I just remember being absolutely terrified.

You should have been terrified to be dressed like that.

What a breathtakingly silly comment.

He's right, there are standards for modest Catholic dressing.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #50 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:30:41 PM »

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Why would that matter? Although I am sure it was a one piece as I can't ever remember owninga bikini in my life.

It was 25 years ago. I don't even remember whatI was wearing. I just remember being absolutely terrified.

You should have been terrified to be dressed like that.

What a breathtakingly silly comment.

He's right, there are standards for modest Catholic dressing.

As there are standards for male behavior. This is a case of ignorance by all parties.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #51 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:30:52 PM »

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I don't understand why injuring a stranger who starts intentionally touching your private areas is over the top force. I'm not asking if it's a good idea or not in this culture.

Don't shift the argument. I never said that no force of any kind should be used.

I said attempts to cause serious injury should not be used.

Sigismund · « **Reply #52 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:32:13 PM »

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Why would that matter? Although I am sure it was a one piece as I can't ever remember owninga bikini in my life.

It was 25 years ago. I don't even remember whatI was wearing. I just remember being absolutely terrified.

You should have been terrified to be dressed like that.

What a breathtakingly silly comment.

He's right, there are standards for modest Catholic dressing.

As there are standards for male behavior. This is a case of ignorance by all parties.

There are standards for everyone. I am not at all convinced that a modest bathing suit violates any of them.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #53 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:32:49 PM »

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As there are standards for male behavior. This is a case of ignorance by all parties.

I never excused the man's behavior.

I'm just pointing out that she brought on the situation by showing her body in a swimsuit, and her reaction, pointing out that it was terrifying, to this day, shows how much this is more a matter of female psychology than a matter of serious harm done.

I can only think some of this overreaction has to do with shame on the part of the women.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #54 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:37:26 PM »

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There are standards for everyone. I am not at all convinced that a modest bathing suit violates any of them.

Neither am I. But people here seem to always want to prove some kind of point about what is wrong with women nowadays, and so rather than just giving people the benefit of the doubt and taking things at face value, they jump at every little thing to nail the point. It is perfectly possible to talk about the lack of modesty in women today without going to these lengths.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #55 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:40:57 PM »

If you're going to tantalize men in a swimming suit and then cry about it decades later because a man grabbed you against your will, (in public, when there was little risk of anything worse happening) then you have a problem. A problem connecting cause and effect, a problem of blowing things out of proportion, a problem of not taking responsibility for instigating such behavior.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #56 on:** May 28, 2013, 09:53:06 PM »

My mother is a nurse and she described to me once that a patient grabbed her.

But it wasn't with the air of grievance and wounded vanity and histrionic "terror" that is expressed here.

She was simply relating it to give me her understanding of how some men react to women.

Tiffany · « **Reply #57 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:00:45 PM »

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Let me get this straight Sigismund, some teenage boy pinches a woman's behind and it's a justification for brass knuckles?

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Tiffany is peaking for herself here, not for me. A proportionate response is fine.

However, if you behave like such s slug that you would assault a woman in this way, and you do get punched, my sympathy is limited.

A slap which will do nothing to a man, is OK, but a punch is not? This is a STRANGER touching private areas and a woman is only supposed to slap him?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #58 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:04:37 PM »

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A slap which will do nothing to a man, is OK, but a punch is not? This is a STRANGER touching private areas and a woman is only supposed to slap him?

This was in the context of brass knuckles.

A punch won't do anything anyway unless the woman is large.

I really have to laugh at the idea of these women's self defense classes.

About the only thing a woman can do is gouge a man's eyes for go for the secrets.

A very highly trained woman might be able to kick hard. That won't do any good to a man who's already got hold of her.

If a woman tried to kick me I could catch her foot and start dragging her.

Tiffany · « **Reply #59 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:07:59 PM »

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I don't understand why injuring a stranger who starts intentionally touching your private areas is over the top force. I'm not asking if it's a good idea or not in this culture.

Don't shift the argument. I never said that no force of any kind should be used.

I said attempts to cause serious injury should not be used.

So why should serious injury not be used? Where is the line when it can be used? Or maybe that shouldn't be discussed on a forum.

I think serious injury is justified if a strange man starts touching a woman's private areas. I can't hardly believe the response on here.

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