Author Topic: Should a woman defend herself? (Read 7278 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #120 on:** June 03, 2013, 04:09:08 PM »

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some of you guys seriously must hate women. You seem like the kind who might chain one in the basement or something. Sheesh

Sounds like you hate men.

I don't like liars, sluts, those who resort to abortion, etc. Try to avoid them.

Catholic men need to be on guard against vindictive, paranoid, dishonest, and faithless women.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #121 on:** June 03, 2013, 04:12:15 PM »

Not all women (or girls) who are being leered at or otherwise harassed are dressed to get attention. I went out of my way to dress "down" all through my teens to avoid unwanted attention. No makeup, no attracting clothes .. it still happened.

Considering the damage a sick man can do to a woman, I don't think women can be too careful these days.

Another thing nowadays is that modest women also pay the price for the corruption that has occurred in the relationships between men and woman ... there are men out there consumed with both attraction and rage for the women who dress immodestly ... and then all women pay the price regardless of how they dress

We women no longer have protectors and have to protect ourselves as best as we can. My H doesn't escort me through life. I have always known that if I was to be safe it would be up to me.

I have learned to avoid certain places, people and times for maximum safety.

It's just a fact of life.

But you can't have it both ways. Those who dress provocatively have no business complaining when they draw attention from everyone even the repulsive or dangerous.

We have to dress and teach our daughters to dress for maximum protection and invisibility. And also to dress in clothes we can run away in if necessary. That's why I cannot get on board with dressing in flimsy dresses / skirts and insignificant shoes. Why make yourself more vulnerable than necessary ?

Unless you're with a group of people who can offer some security.

I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #122 on:** June 03, 2013, 04:18:23 PM »

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I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That's understandable, even if it is taken to extremes sometimes.

However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

This idea of women that they are mortally aggrieved when men look at them seems like a symptom of hysteria given the way they carry themselves today.

Here's an older, comical look at this matter. People in the past at least didn't act like they lived in a marxist society when discussing these matters:

Search keywords oldandsold "liberties men take"

Tiffany · « **Reply #123 on:** June 03, 2013, 04:45:19 PM »

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Catholic men need to be on guard against vindictive, paranoid, dishonest, and faithless women.

ALL MEN :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

lauraelizabeth · « **Reply #124 on:** June 03, 2013, 07:33:30 PM »

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I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That's understandable, even if it is taken to extremes sometimes.

However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

This idea of women that they are mortally aggrieved when men look at them seems like a symptom of hysteria given the way they carry themselves today.

Here's an older, comical look at this matter. People in the past at least didn't act like they lived in a marxist society when discussing these matters:

Search keywords oldandsold "liberties men take"

Thank you for that website......!
Painfully true, really.

Tiffany · « **Reply #125 on:** June 04, 2013, 09:04:30 AM »

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I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That's understandable, even if it is taken to extremes sometimes.

However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

This idea of women that they are mortally aggrieved when men look at them seems like a symptom of hysteria given the way they carry themselves today.

Here's an older, comical look at this matter. People in the past at least didn't act like they lived in a marxist society when discussing these matters:

Search keywords oldandsold "liberties men take"

Thank you for that website......!
Painfully true, really.

We hear a great deal about a man's love of opposition in affairs of the heart. It is true he loves to have a woman say no, and enjoys compelling her to change it to yes. But he never attempts it unless he sees "yes" hidden back under her eyelids.

This is not Christian.

Laura were you really asking for his gift and attention when that creep gave you lingerie? Giving him that "hidden" look of yes when you told him you were not interested? Just teasing him with No while really meaning Yes?

There are women who tease men they are not married to, that doesn't mean all advances are solicited. Yes there are many cries of he is a creep after she did a lot to get attention, and it's a major problem in this culture, but it's unjust to say men don't try things without being led on or or they are reading non-verbal language that is inviting.

Tiffany · « **Reply #126 on:** June 04, 2013, 09:43:16 AM »

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However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

Especially at work. It's really nuts, especially in light of all the immorality that really goes on in the workplace. I remember once there was a nice man who was just trying to help me learn, and a co-worker got all hysterical about it, went to the manager, who then called me in, it's was so ridiculous. If they don't have men harassing them, they will find one. Another older woman with common sense replied words I can't repeat on here, but she noted the sin that goes on on a routine basis and how ridiculous the whole thing was. He was just a polite man who had excellent skills and had a kind heart of a teacher. Meanwhile the other group of vulgar men, everyone just adored them, and they kept being vulgar.

Tiffany · « **Reply #127 on:** June 04, 2013, 09:50:05 AM »

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I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That's understandable, even if it is taken to extremes sometimes.

However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

This idea of women that they are mortally aggrieved when men look at them seems like a symptom of hysteria given the way they carry themselves today.

Here's an older, comical look at this matter. People in the past at least didn't act like they lived in a marxist society when discussing these matters:

Search keywords oldandsold "liberties men take"

Thank you for that website......!
Painfully true, really.

We hear a great deal about a man's love of opposition in affairs of the heart. It is true he loves to have a woman say no, and enjoys compelling her to change it to yes. But he never attempts it unless he sees "yes" hidden back under her eyelids.

This is not Christian.

Laura were you really asking for his gift and attention when that creep gave you lingerie? Giving him that "hidden" look of yes when you told him you were not interested? Just teasing him with No while really meaning Yes?

There are women who tease men they are not married to, that doesn't mean all advances are solicited. Yes there are many cries of he is a creep after she did a lot to get attention, and it's a major problem in this culture, but it's unjust to say men don't try things without being led on or or they are reading non-verbal language that is inviting.

Laura, I apologize, I see it's said the website was comical.

lauraelizabeth · « **Reply #128 on:** June 04, 2013, 10:12:17 AM »

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I know this sounds paranoid. But I'd rather be safe than sorry.

That's understandable, even if it is taken to extremes sometimes.

However, what has happened is that the collective reputations of men have been ruined by obsessive focus on supposed "harassment." The constant talk about this is leftist and politically correct in origin.

Few women are in serious danger, you'd suppose they were under siege by the way they talk.

This idea of women that they are mortally aggrieved when men look at them seems like a symptom of hysteria given the way they carry themselves today.

Here's an older, comical look at this matter. People in the past at least didn't act like they lived in a marxist society when discussing these matters:

Search keywords oldandsold "liberties men take"

Thank you for that website......!
Painfully true, really.

We hear a great deal about a man's love of opposition in affairs of the heart. It is true he loves to have a woman say no, and enjoys compelling her to change it to yes. But he never attempts it unless he sees "yes" hidden back under her eyelids.

This is not Christian.

Laura were you really asking for his gift and attention when that creep gave you lingerie? Giving him that "hidden" look of yes when you told him you were not interested? Just teasing him with No while really meaning Yes?

There are women who tease men they are not married to, that doesn't mean all advances are solicited. Yes there are many cries of he is a creep after she did a lot to get attention, and it's a major problem in this culture, but it's unjust to say men don't try things without being led on or or they are reading non-verbal language that is inviting.

I was not at all telling that guy "yes" with my eyes. I was friendly with him and probably overly talkative (as I am with every customer--old, young, ugly, pretty, infant, mentally challenged). Unfortunately...I just TALK. A lot. I basically "have a life" for three weeks a year....and I'm not saying I live it up or anything....hahahaha I work at the bakery from 4:30 a.m. till 7:30 p.m. every day for that week...but it is the sheer amount of people I see that is overwhelming, that makes me elated and friendly. I know people will disagree with me (say that I should be just as happy at home taking care of my nieces and nephews.....but they don't know what my town is like!). I love being here, but that doesn't change that I sometimes crave to leave the house...to take a walk somewhere beside my road or get an icecream =). I have no car so it's difficult. When I became catholic, I literally stopped talking to all my friends.....not one of them cared for my soul. God gave me the strength to cut them out from my life and it was a miracle, really.
When I go to the bazaar, if the guys tell me that I am pretty or if they compliment me in some way, I cannot help it...I am a very weak girl....of course I am going to smile and thank them and enjoy it, because I NEVER get that. I don't know how to not like those compliments. When I read Story of a Soul, I was so sad because St. Therese actually hated being complimented...as she knew it would give her pride. I want to be a saint so bad, and yet I am inclined to evil thoughts and deeds....I have, nearly, to change my entire disposition if I want to please Our Lord.
Sometimes i think the only way I can do this is to stop working at the bazaar altogether, which would leave me home to work on myself...getting to heaven. One thing that gets me down, though, is the assumption that if a girl is getting attention, then she is 'dressing' to get attention. Actually, I suppose that is true.....because I find, from my own experience, that dressing modestly (long skirt/dress, non-revealing/long sleeved top, and apron if working) draws faaaar more attention than dressing in shorts and a t-shirt (as the other girls working do).
The reason why I enjoyed (or agreed with, rather) the website that the person posted...is because a lot of it is Truth. I know, because I feel like that girl sometimes. It is my demeanor that gives the men at the bazaar the courage to do/say the things they do. If I learned to hold my tongue, and not be so excited at idle chatter....then I'm sure that things would be different, because they would feel coldness from me rather than childish excitement at the thought of talking (which I am very prone to). The lingerie man, though, has actual demons in him...I know, because of other things he said and did. I did not yell at him (that's not like me)...because I feel uncomfortable yelling at a man who is older than my dad. I said no and he persisted. It's not like I feel violated or anything close. He was more annoying than anything....because he would always hold up the line!

God Bless

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #129 on:** June 04, 2013, 11:59:37 AM »

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Incidentally, this is one of the great evils involved in the modern school system:

Sending defenseless children into an environment full of bullies and other corrupt children, with no sanctuary and no boundaries, with two options: submit to merciless torments or fight back and possibly end up far worse off.

Non-brainwashed parents wouldn't subject their children to that.

Now it's true the world is not an easy place to get along in but generally people have their own territory, their own space, protected by law.

Not so for children under the thumb of negligent schoolmarms.

great post here :applause: x a million

I have told people who are hostile to home schooling that if they went to work and the people there cursed at them, said- showed - suggested indecent things to them, stole their personal belongings, threatened to attack them, (or actually attacked them) constantly humiliated and tormented them, ect-- they would have recourse. They could:

1. Try to have the offenders reprimanded or fired.
2. Sue if nothing was done about it.
3. Get even.
4. Quit.

Yet we send our vulnerable kids to this environment every day with no real recourse, without a thought.

I wish I had been able to homeschool my kids, everyday I felt like I was throwing my little sheep to the wolves, and just having to try to repair the damage. :cry:

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #130 on:** June 04, 2013, 03:34:04 PM »

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